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Originally Posted by R.A.F.
I feel I must "revise" myself a little...
There is absolutely no reason that consciousness can not be discussed on this, a science board...
However...
It's when you take that discussion and "stray off" into the "spiritual" that you're likely to run into trouble.
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I understand the unfortunate baggage that is related to using the term spiritual. Perhaps we can begin to think of discussing consciousness as a "metaphysical force" such as in the dictionary description of metaphysical as an adjective being
"without material form or substance".
I think we can agree that the mind and our thoughts are "without material form or substance". And yet the expression of the mind and our thoughts shapes everything we accomplish in the material world. So the metaphysical and material are one and are intimately connected.
Then we could contemplate how a non material force arises from a material reality. That is the beginning of acceptance of a transcendent reality ... you don't have to put the label spiritual on it ... in fact you could start with just calling it the reality of the mind and consciousness itself ..
It is just as real as our material reality ... but invisible .. but pretty hard to dismiss as non existent. This is what I mean when I say we ourselves are proof of a transcendent reality.
Our minds and powers of our consciousness are proof ... they are beyond the powers of nature and the material reality.