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Originally Posted by Eric12407
Perhaps we can begin to think of discussing consciousness as a "metaphysical force" such as in the dictionary description of metaphysical as an adjective being
"without material form or substance".
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Please show evidence that there is a difference between "without material form or substance", and "does not exist".
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I think we can agree that the mind and our thoughts are "without material form or substance".
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To get "nit-picky" for a moment, thoughts
are simply electrical impulses moving in the chemical "sponge" of the brain. Sure sounds like there is "form and substance" to me.
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And yet the expression of the mind and our thoughts shapes everything we accomplish in the material world. So the metaphysical and material are one and are intimately connected.
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You can keep saying the same thing (and you are), but unless you are going to present evidence for this "so called"
connection, then this conversation is just about over.
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Then we could contemplate how a non material force arises from a material reality. That is the beginning of acceptance of a transcendent reality ... you don't have to put the label spiritual on it ...
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No, but if your going to believe in a "religious type" manner, (ie. without evidence) then short of calling it religion, the "label"
spiritual will suffice for this discussion.
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...but pretty hard to dismiss as non existent.
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Really??...I don't find it hard to dismiss
at all...
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Our minds and powers of our consciousness are proof ... they are beyond the powers of nature and the material reality.
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As I've said, you keep repeating basically the same thing, yet you cannot demonstrate that anything you've said has any basis in reality
at all.