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Originally Posted by Warren Platts
That's a bit unfair. Sophisticated theists (including IDists--and why are we talking about young earth creationism? it's pretty much a straw man these days) are very good critical thinkers. Hang out with some ultraorthodox Jewish guys sometime.
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We've had a number of YEC proponents on BAUT, along with Geocentrists and others. I won't debate "critical thinking" skills, but will only point out that Creationism isn't science.
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You're selling them short here and you'll get squeezed. Creationist ideas merely interpret the empirical observations of science in a way consistent with the Bible. And since scientific theory is underdetermined by the evidence, mainstream scientific theory is not logically entailed by the empirical, observational evidence.
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In science, you go where the evidence leads. You don't start with a book, interpret it in various ways (often contradictory interpretations between groups), then attempt to fit evidence to your interpretation. A world flood, for example, doesn't fit the evidence.
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That's pretty much it. I would add that maybe secular humanists might benefit from a self-examination of where their moral agenda comes from. Because it's certainly not science, and it's certainly not God, and so that leaves either Satan or themselves.
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I think all people would benefit from examining the cultural roots of their moral systems. Simplistic references to supposed beings, whether Zeus, Odin, Flying Spaghetti Monster or Satan
, aren't helpful. However. this too is not a discussion about science.