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Old 05-November-2007, 08:59 AM
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A little review: About a year ago, C4N7 asked for opinions on an interview video he mentioned in the OP, where a fellow named Boyd Bushman talks about anti-gravity to a reporter. Discussion in this thread was related to members' opinions on the interview. C4N7 wasn't happy with the opinions here, and had a bit of an attitude problem.

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Originally Posted by kyleraine View Post
The smell of your skepticism must mean it's fake. Yeah.

"and there is Boyd Bushman not saying much of anything specific. Then near the end the commentator says that Bushman spoke highly of a scientist's experiments. That "scientist" is not named, but it is in fact John Hutchison, who is not a scientist,"

1. Which hutchison already said mr. genius reporter
Please watch the video mentioned in the OP and point out the time index where Hutchison appears.

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2. So what if he's not a scientist?
It was an inaccurate and misleading statement by the commentator in the interview. The context of this, again, is in regard to the OP video. That interview video includes a clip of a "demonstration" done by someone who is only referred to as a "scientist." I recognized the bit as something done by Hutchison, but this is not stated in the video.

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"and who made some of the silliest and obviously faked videos you could imagine."

Cuz u said so, and whatever you say is true cuz u said it.
Odd. I note that you have a similar shorthand posting style to that of C4N7.

Anyway, did you bother to follow the links I provided? Here's a video done by Hutchison. It supposedly demonstrates an anti-gravity experiment with a little saucer toy moving around in a jerky fashion. If you look at the upper left hand corner, you can see a wire jerking at the same time as the toy. This is obvious fakery.

Also, many of Hutchison's so-called experiments have things supposedly lifting off a plywood surface in an odd way. For example, a hand saw starts lifting off slowly, than moves "up" faster during the video. I could easily duplicate this experiment by hiding an electromagnet above a sheet of plywood. I would turn it on, and place the hand saw on the plywood ceiling where it would be held by the electromagnet. I would start filming the saw with the camera upside down, and turn off the electromagnet. When viewed, it would appear as if the saw accelerated upwards.

It's hard to describe how poor the videos are when considered as evidence. There are clips spliced together, often with poor lighting, using closeups of objects. They're not even good tricks.

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"Anyway, when it comes to anti-gravity, my position, as always, is that I will believe it when there is independent confirmation from multiple credible sources."

So they have no credientials CUZ U SAID SO?
You miss the point: If somebody says they have discovered new physics, it starts getting interesting only when there is independent, repeated, credible confirmation. That's how science works. For instance, take a look at the history of the "missing" neutrino issue, and the experiments eventually showing neutrino oscillation. There was a process, with many scientists, with different experiments, investigating various possibilities.

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So you can't trust your eyes when you watch a video, how can you trust your eyes when you see anything else? Durrrrr.
That depends on what information you have. A video, of course, gives someone more opportunities for manipulation, but a stage magician can pull off some great tricks too.
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