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Old 12-December-2007, 02:30 AM
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There has been so much government interest in this phenomena, that if it was as ridiculous as you claim, would warrant literally ZERO government research and involvement, yet ever since the "Battle for Los Angeles" the government has shown a keen interest in the matter, has compiled numerous reports/investigations, has step by step instructions for Air force personnel on how to react, and what to do when they encounter one.

The "battle for LA" really had nothing to do with UFO investigations but if that is what you think, then feel free but there is plenty of good explanations for this event. As far as I know, following the event and once the military was satisified it was not an actual air attack, the matter was dropped and there was no further interest until.......


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But you are forgetting what caused it to leak into pop culture....Roswell.
Actually, it was the Kenneth Arnold sighting a few weeks previous. Had Arnold not reported his sighting to the media and the media ran it in the papers, nobody in NM would have heard of Flying saucers and nobody would have thought they recovered a "flying disc".

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We all know the details inside and out of this case, but my question is, ranchers in New Mexico were very familiar with weather balloons, as was the military, yet the story magically changes and the rancher is ordered to remain silent on the matter.
One weather balloon is easily identifiable. However, not many were multiple balloons with all sorts of devices (launch rings, parachutes, ballast tubes, radar reflectors, electronic equipment) attached. You are also quick with the fact the rancher was ordered to remain silent. There is absolutley no factual evidence to support this claim. In fact he told the media what he found. Oh....that is right, he was directed by the military to tell a fake story.


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Well that’s weird, see it is one thing for the rancher to mistake the crash debris, but the military?????????
Correction. A few officers apparently misidentified something they were not familiar with. They were pilots and not weather officers. You put a lot of weight on the opinions of military personnel. As an ex-senior enlisted, I can tell you without a doubt that even the officers are not super intelligent. I know of one instance where several officers were misidentifying Venus as possible ship at night - an enlisted man corrected them after checking some astronomy software. However, back to the main subject, we are not talking about balloons, which would not be too hard to identify, but the reflectors and other materials that were attached to the balloons. In Ohio, a few people thought these objects were "flying discs". To add to the confusion, on the date of the misidentification there was an article in the morning Roswell paper describing "flying discs" that were recovered in Texas. They were said to have been constructed of foil like materials. What were these radar reflectors made of? Aluminum Foil, of course.

Lastly, one would think that if it were something really extraordinary, a picture or two would have been taken by all the people that supposedly handled it. There is not one photograph of any of this supposedly strange debris until it arrived at Fort Worth. What do these photographs show? Radar reflectors and balloon materials.

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In conclusion I just want to say you are all just as crazy and just as ill informed as the UFO believers out there, the only difference is you are on the opposite end of the spectrum.
I don't consider myself ill-informed. I have looked at this subject extensively. Maybe my skepticism prevents me from seeing it from a neutral point of view but that is who I am. However, don't take my word for it. I suggest you look at what a panel of scientists (the 1997 sturrock panel) said about the subject after being presented a one-sided presentation from pro-UFO scientists:

It was clear that at least a few reported incidents might have involved rare but significant phenomena such as electrical activity high above thunderstorms (e.g., sprites) or rare cases of radar ducting. On the other hand, the review panel was not convinced that any of the evidence involved currently unknown physical processes or pointed to the involvement of an extraterrestrial intelligence.

These scientists had no prior interest in the subject and were exposed to only one side of the argument. Yet, they could not see anything in the data. All went back to their studies and did not suddenly find a need to study UFOs. This is not the first time this has happened since 1947. Each time a scientific panel looks at the subject, they all come to the same conclusion. That being that there is no need to think that anything extraordinary is happening. To me, that says a lot.
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