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Old 11-February-2008, 08:28 AM
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Lightbulb Planet X Forecast and 2012 Survival Guide

Hi:

I'm new here, and I have a few answers to some of the posts.

First, I am one of the co-authors of the book titled above and featured in those 5 videos, so I know the other two authors very well.

In terms of our authoring duties, I did not work on the science. Jacco did that. I worked together with Marshall on other aspects of the book.

Peter B, I was particularly drawn to your letter with all the questions, so I will be quoting your entire question letter.

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Did you know in 1983,4 Nasa found a strange object with 4 to 8 times Earth mass using IRAS(orbital infrared telescope), at the edge of our Solar system <snip>...
What was the source of this information? Did you check it out for yourself, or are you assuming everything you've mentioned is correct?
That was "US News and World Report." I saw copies of the news reports. The first was dated sometime in September, 1983.

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Nibiru, (IMO) is not some planet that is full of annunaki or whatever, but actually a BROWN Dwarf. A failed star. It has been documented in the bible, ancient sumeria,
So you say this object was visible to people who lived about 4000-5000 years ago? Just checking the numbers here.
Nibiru / Planet X is on a 3600-year tightly elliptical orbit that is roughly perpendicular to the ecliptic of the solar system. It is a planetary system of a brown dwarf and planets with a protoplanetary disk that resembles a very thick dust cloud. Check any astronomy book, and it will tell you that this is how planetary systems form around stars. We have one here. It's called the Oort Cloud.

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...and is even probably the cause of Atlantis.
Hmmmm. The Greek philosopher Plato was the cause of Atlantis. No one recorded the name before him, and although many people claim to have found it, there really is no evidence for it existing beyond Plato's description.
No. The Greek philosopher Plato was the cause of the name given to Atlantis that we now know it by. Who knows what the people we call Atlanteans called themselves?

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The Mayans have described it and even plotted its inevitable return. Of course that would be 2012.
Reference please?
Mayan anthropologist George Erickson would be a good person to start with.

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Now, This would cause all types of Earth changes having a Brown Dwarf pass to the inner reaches of our solar system, heating up the planet and causing many solar storms as it draws nearer and nearer.
A brown dwarf would need to pass very close to the Earth to heat it up. They simply don't produce a lot of heat.
Let's not just look at only the heat of a brown dwarf. Stars also have magnetism, which gives them polarity. If an incoming brown dwarf has a polarity that is opposite to our own sun, that would cause the sun to react. Also, the brown dwarf would affect any planets it nears, and we would not be able to see it at a Pluto distance, for instance, without infrared, because of the protoplanetary disk.

Do the research. You'll find that all of our planets are suffering global warming.

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And as we know with Highly Elliptical Orbits, when its closer to the body its orbiting around, it speeds up, which will probably explain its approach in 5 years completely out of nowhere(OR IS IT?).
Well, we can do some calculations, thanks to the laws governing the motion of orbiting bodies developed by Johannes Kepler and Sir Isaac Newton. If the Sumerians recorded the passage of this brown dwarf 4000-5000 years ago, and it's due to return in 4 years (not 5, remember, it's already 2008), then it's already going to be really close - well within the orbits of the outer planets. So it's hardly going to be coming completely out of nowhere.
It's not on a 4 - 5 thousand year orbital cycle. Its cycle is 36 to 37 hundred years. Also, the orbit is highly erratic, which indicates planets circling it and pulling on it with their own gravity.

It will seem to come out of nowhere, yes, when it comes up. That's because of the protoplanetary disk again. Have you ever driven at night in either pea-soup fog or a very nasty sandstorm? How about doing those things with your headlights off?

Picture (not two, but) at least twelve cars all driving around under those conditions. Now, try to accurately predict which of those twelve will escape without a scratch. It's not going to happen.

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To my understanding scientist and astronomers have written articles about being blind sided by comets and even in some posts on this forum have astronomers stating they are more worried being blind sided by a comet then anything.
That's true. But the reasons we're blindsided by comets explain why we're not going to be blindsided by a brown dwarf. Comets are a lot smaller than brown dwarfs. Comet core < 100 kilometres across. Brown dwarf > 100,000 kilometres across. That alone is going to make them screamingly obvious in the sky. Secondly, comets are made of ice, and so very cold. Brown dwarfs are failed stars, but still generate some heat. That also is going to make them stand out in the sky.
Brown dwarfs are brown because they don't generate enough heat to make them appear red or yellow. Added to that, there is the matter of (again) the protoplanetary disk, which is a cloud-like structure that holds heat in. So, again, detection without a far-infrared instrument will be next to impossible.

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Put simply, a brown dwarf already closer to the Sun than the outer planets is going to stand out like proverbials - it's larger than Jupiter, much brighter than Jupiter, not much further from the Sun than Jupiter, and it's moving across the sky. Virtually anyone pointing a telescope into the sky is going to spot that.
That's true -- or will be true for us by the time it gets here. The trick is not to wait to leave the tracks until the train is upon you, but to plan your exit when you first feel the rumble under your feet. Therefore, we need telescopes that look outside the visual spectrum.


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NASA (and prominent Russian Scientist) were searching for Planet X, because something was disturbing the orbits of Uranus and Neptune pulling them down in the elliptical plane.
Reference please.
Try Google. Google William Herschel, John Couch Adams and Clyde Tombaugh. They were neither NASA nor Russians, but they were looking for Planet X long before NASA, the Russian Space Agency, ESA, JAXA, etc., took up the mantle.

William Herschel noticed that Saturn was perturbed from its orbit and discovered Uranus. Adams did the same for Neptune, and Tombaugh discovered Pluto.

Now, before you rush to say, "There, that's proof that Planet X doesn't exist," here is what Dr. Brian Marsden of the Smithsonian Institution said: "If you fail to find something, it only means that you failed to find it. It doesn't mean that it's not there."

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(I know you can't even get close to an infrared.)
Pardon? There's some embargo on selling them, is there?
Well, folks, let's belly up to the bar, and make Peter B our new best friend. He must have the bux (either US or Australian) to purchase one of these beauties in either the near- or far-infrared range! (Sorry, Pete -- couldn't resist that! )

Seriously, the SPT in Antartica that just went active in 2007 is a far-infrared telescope that will be able to do the search for us, and at the most optimal place.


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But, in all seriousness, I believe our government and most other governments know of this event and are taking steps to ensure the survival of the species. That being said, they can't save everybody.
How good do you think governments are at keeping secrets? Anyway, don't you think amateur astronomers might have spotted Brownie, given what Brownie's characteristics must be? Do you think they're all keeping the secret too?
Amateur astronomers are like those driving through the pea-soup fog at night without headlights. No, I am not calling them stupid, just unequipped. They can't tell about what they don't yet know, or as Dr. Marsden put it, "haven't yet found."

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To be honest i hope this is all a crock of <inappropriate language removed> ...
It is.
The jury is still out on that, but I hope you're right.

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...but i'm not gonna worry, because for one i'm in the military, and # 2, i don't want to believe it until it happens. But i will prepare( no harm in that right). IF you want any further insight, please check out on liveleak video, Surviving Planet X and 2012. Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.
Well, I might have a look, but if your source of information turns out to contain silly mistakes, prepare to be mocked.

One other point. The Solar System is about 4.5 billion years old. If Brownie orbits the Sun every 4000-5000 years, that means it would have passed through the Solar System about a million times. Something the size of Brownie would leave very obvious traces, such as in the orbits of the planets. Instead, the planets are behaving as though nothing serious has affected their orbits for the last few billion years.
About the military, be all that you can be, JimH. I did, and I'm still alive and kickin'.

Again, 36 to 37 hundred years. Yes, it did leave a trace in a very early flyby. That's called the Asteroid Belt.

As for the planets, that's earlier in my letter.

Pete, I am having some real, good-natured fun with your letters. Here is your follow-up letter after having watched the videos. Really, it is nothing against you.

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Well, I warned you. Prepare to be mocked.

1. I'm guessing you didn't check the information in those videos against any external source. If you had, you'd have found out that the object supposedly found by IRAS was later determined to be nothing to do with our Solar System.
Maybe the person who started this thread didn't, but we did. According to the first video, after the press conference announcing the discovery of the space body at the edge of the solar system, NASA capped the topic. No more information came out -- that is, until they stated what you said. However, that took several months for them even to go that far.

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2. An object of 4 to 8 Earth masses can't possibly be a Brown Dwarf. That's way too small. I'll let you do the research to determine the mass of such an object compared to the mass of Jupiter. Remember, Jupiter is too small to be a Brown Dwarf, so anything smaller than it also can't be.
Did you listen to the second video? In the second video, about 1/4 of the way through, Marshall Masters states that prevailing scientific thought about brown dwarfs is that they must be larger than Jupiter. He briefly again touches on the US News story, but stops short of saying that he believes that object to be Planet X, because the previous sentence indicates that he does not. However, read the next paragraph.

Planet X, with a protoplanetary disk around it, is not traveling light. It will bring many smaller objects with it, including one like the one spotted by IRAS.

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3. Planet X can in no way be responsible for global warming on Earth. If it's as far away as the outer planets at the moment, and it's a lot cooler than the Sun, then it's too far away to heat the Earth. Anyway, if it was, there'd be evidence of heating on all the other planets, and there isn't any such evidence. Global warming here on Earth is caused by human actions, by natural processes of the Earth, or a combination.
Yes, it is a lot cooler than the sun, but inside the orbital sphere of Pluto, it is within the sun's gravitational field. It affects, and is affected by, the sun's gravity. That is making the sun go crazy, and the sun affects Coruscant -- no; Tattooine -- no; oh, yes, Earth and the other planets in our system. (Fans of Star Wars are well aware that Coruscant and Tattooine had enough problems of their own without Nibiru jumping into their $#!t.) Then, the global warming of the outer planets is affected by the heat of the brown dwarf, itself.

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Conclusion: You can safely ignore the content of the video, even if the narrator once had something to do with science on CNN.
Ignore the five videos if you wish, research them if you wish (please!), or if you wish, take the videos at their word, for Marshall did suggest research at the end of the last video, too.

One more thing, Pete, you asked about The Kolbrin Bible. Here is its current website. http://yowbooks.com/html/kolbrin.html Yes, group, I also edited that book, as you will find near the bottom of the page.

The reason that it doesn't show up on Wiki is that people were putting erroneous entries onto its Wiki page, using their "public editing" system, and stating them as facts. I don't remember now what they were because this happened several years ago, but as editor, it was my responsibility to check them out. Marshall sent Wiki the facts and asked them to update the page. It was pulled, instead.

Such is life.

Thanks, Pete.

Now, on to STS60:

STS, since I already stated my position about the original post and Pete's answer, I will not restate it. It has not changed in the last 5 minutes, nor will it.

However, I do have a bone to pick about the ad-hominem attack you launched against Marshall and the other two co-authors of the book that the videos are about. You said, in response to another statement:

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Theres many others but this must have been the most well done, of course look into Sumeria, and the Bible.
The most well-done of them are delusional ravings of the scientifically illiterate. In that, they are indistinguishable from the least well done of them.
None of the three of us is delusional; one of us is a scientist, and I respectfully, but publicly request that the moderator edit that paragraph out of your letter. You don't know us, and you don't have a right to use a public forum to judge us in that manner. I didn't judge Pete, and though I may not agree with him, he is entitled to his opinion about the subject of Planet X, which is what this thread is about.

Now, to end this letter on a happier note, Bozola, your post had me rolling on the floor with laughter! That tells me you spent some time watching Hardware Wars. Keep the humor coming, guy!

Cheers,
Princess

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