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Old 19-February-2008, 04:08 AM
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Originally Posted by Bogie View Post
I take it you are saying that all photons are non-linear and the change in shape is a change in frequency and wave length?

To make sure I understand, you are saying that the energy of the original photon is conserved and the lost energy of the main wave becomes a harmonic wave? Is the harmonic wave detectible? Does it travel through space with the original photon? Is it composed of a discrete packet of energy like the original photon?

If this developing and changing shape is an explanation of the red shift, what portion of the red shift does it explain? Are you saying it explains all of the red shift?

I thought that science had put this issue to bed and that the universe is expanding as the galaxies and groups of galaxies move away from each other. The red shift is primarily a change in wave length caused by the Doppler Effect.

I can see how the frequency and wave length would be affected by gravity and cosmic dust but by far the greater effect has been attributed to expansion hasn’t it.

Can you give me the next increment of your idea without refering to in-depth concepts developed elsewhere that I will never find time to track down and reason out .
There will be effects on photons, but they will be exceedingly small and undetectable and may be ignored for our purpose. What I am referring to is not traveling waves (photons) but standing waves (particles of matter). It is only near the centre of particles where the energy flux is most concentrated (it has a 1/r^2 relationship, except very near the centre) that the non-linearity is sufficient to make noticeable effects. Even then the effects on a nucleon (proton or neutron) are small, changing the frequency of the particle by only 1 part in 14 billion per year.

So what we call a red shift with distance is really a blue shift with time. Matter frequencies increase over time. That means that when we look at a galaxy that is a billion light years ago we see it as it was a billion years ago when all galaxies had lower frequencies. Therefore it looks red shifted compared to our laboratory specimens which we are a=observing as they are now.

Although I came up with this idea myself, I subsequently discovered that Arp and Narlikar and others had already had the same idea. Other parts of the proposal are original however.