Thanks Rick and Andy, Rick on this session it was a very clear night and noticed that on my blue channel filter the rings really stood out almost white in color (siegler effect-misspelled maybe?). so when i color combine i had to manage it for not being the dominant color plus at this angle it is a little difficult to maintain the ring sharp due to being thinner so the turbulance is easily seen effecting it(wavery) this effect is the position of the ice crystals angle and shadow cast which is less so the surface looks brighter. I still have two full sets that i havent processed will see the results when processed. Clear Skies