08-March-2008, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Gillianren
Okay, number one, that's not actually an answer. I'll accept it as one, but it isn't.
Number two . . . William Harvey did the work. He didn't just expect people to overthrow thousands of years' worth of belief. He provided evidence. Further, he didn't expect time on a message board to change science. He didn't think that blathering on, and on, and on in one place was actually going to accomplish something. They didn't have peer review per se in the 17th Century, but he went through the closest process they had.
Number three, you're missing my point. Yeah. Discussion here is limited to 30 days, and thank Gods for that. However, science as a whole eventually accepted his ideas, and within his own lifetime. So much for "science never accepts new ideas." If it doesn't accept yours, the more likely options are that you haven't provided enough evidence, you haven't done enough work, or you're wrong.
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It is hard to be credited with a discovery if the work is destroyed or the establishment condones burning at the stake or you are from the wrong background. From Wikipedia the page on William Harvey.
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Although Ibn al-Nafis and Michael Servetus had described pulmonary circulation before the time of Harvey, all but three copies of Servetus' manuscript Christianismi Restitutio were destroyed and as a result, the secrets of circulation were lost until Harvey rediscovered them nearly a century later.
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Ibn al-Nafis was hundreds of years ahead of his time and accredited.
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Ibn al-Nafis is most famous for being the first physician to describe the pulmonary circulation,[1] and the capillary[2] and coronary circulations,[3][4] which form the basis of the circulatory system, for which he is considered the father of circulatory physiology[5] and "the greatest physiologist of the Middle Ages."[6] He was also an early proponent of experimental medicine, postmortem autopsy, and human dissection,[7][8] first described the concept of metabolism,[9] and developed his own new Nafisian[10] systems of anatomy, physiology, psychology and pulsology to replace the Avicennian and Galenic doctrines, while discrediting many of their erroneous theories on the four humours, pulsation,[11] bones, muscles, intestines, sensory organs, bilious canals, esophagus, stomach, and the anatomy of almost every other part of the human body.[12] Ibn al-Nafis also drew diagrams to illustrate different body parts in his new physiological system.
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Michael Servetus from his page in Wiki.
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Michael Servetus (also Miguel Servet or Miguel Serveto; 29 September 1511 – 27 October 1553) was a Spanish (Aragonese) theologian, physician, and humanist and the first European to describe the function of pulmonary circulation.
His interests included many sciences: astronomy and meteorology; geography, jurisprudence, study of the Bible, mathematics, anatomy, and medicine. He is renowned in the history of several of these fields, particularly medicine and theology.
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This was the question.
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Originally Posted by Gillianren
Right. (Don't know about the China thing, either.) Now? Not so much.
How about (you don't have to answer this one, Jon; you're not any of the people I'm aiming at) the idea that blood flows through the human body? ATM at first or no?
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(my bold)
I guess I was not one of the people you were aiming at either. Apparently an idea is only ATM when it becomes mainstream by the 'right' person.
As such I am not even ATM, nothing. Fair enough I can write in public and religious forums then.
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