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oh and btw, the main covenant starfighter is the Seraph Fighter, its got shields and all, the banshee is just a in atmostshere craft. The TIE fighter and interceptor class doesnt even have shields! It actually does come down to how many capital ships the empire has, since sucidal brave Elites could just ram star destroyers, even IF they were better, you cant survive a 1.5km ship crashing with 1.6km ships. They'd both explode, this is IF the covenant are on a lower level of tech than the covenant, which I highly doubt. Imperials aren't sucidal (they fear death) Otherwise, all they'd have to do to wipe out the rebel fleet at Endor was to crash all their star destroyers into rebel ships, wiping them all out. After all, there WERE 2000 Empire ships and... 50 rebel ships... what they did was hide behind their shields and send out tiny fighters to engage more tiny fighters...
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Seraph fighters do have shields, but TIEs have better laser cannons that could easily penetrate those shields. TIEs are faster than Seraphs, and TIE pilots are the best pilots in the universe (look at Fel). TIE pilots either became the best or were easily destroyed by lack of shields. There were a few designs that used shields, but most of them were created after the Battle of Endor. Most TIE pilots seen in the movies were new and inexperienced. But, other squadrons like the 501st pilots and different squadrons that weren’t shown in the films were some of the best in the galaxy. TIE pilots had to adapt to the lack of shields somehow so after surviving pilots became almost undefeatable. TIEs have better weapons and are faster than Seraphs, but with lack of shields. I believe that on the scale level they are pretty even. But there were thousands of TIEs that were created and produced; and not so much Seraphs. You are right that the Imperials aren’t suicidal, but wrong that they fear death. They use fear to their own advantage (like Spartan-IIs). Would you say Spartans fear death? No, Imperial pilots are loyal to the Empire and would fight in the face of overwhelming odds, probably to the death; but they, are NOT suicidal. In the end, the overwhelming odds of faster TIEs would defeat the Seraphs.
There were around 66 Imperial ships (mostly ISDs) at the Battle of Endor and about 48 Rebel ships (most of them being smaller cruisers). I think you confused ships with fighters (around 2000 to 500). That makes a huge difference. The Emperor himself ordered his 50 Star Destroyers not to engage the Rebels because it was a trap. The Emperor wanted to create a “net” of ISDs so that the rebels would be doomed. That is why the Imperials sent out their fighters instead of eliminating the fleet.
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Post #289
1)There would be no Sun Crushers in this fight, nor Eclipse.
2)The number of ships is defiantly wrong.
3)The fact that both can base delta zero a planet just points out how even Covenant and Imperial ships are.
4)I agree that Grand Admiral Thrawn was letting his feelings for SW get in the way of making clear arguments.
Post #290
1)Once again there shouldn’t be any Eclipse’ in this fight
2)No new Dark Troopers can be produced, all Phase 3’s were wiped out, and there’s not many Phase 2’s. Tie Maulers running over ground troops, well if they aren’t destroyed before them reach the troops then it would be just like running them over with the Warthog. There’s a counter to everything even the AT-ST’s, it’s called ghosts. How low can AT-AA’s fire, because banshees can scrape the ground and crush infantry easily. As for AT-AT’s easily taking a Scarab, that makes me laugh. It’s very well armoured, and its cannon would be more than enough to pen any armour on an AT-AT.
3)The only tie’s that would be here would be Tie Fighters, Tie Bombers, Tie Advanced and a limited number of Tie Defenders. Non except possibly the Defender would out class the Seraph fighters, and don’t forget Seraphs are also shielded.
4)The only hero’s that would register would be Vader, Thrawn, Bobo Fett and the Emperor, as none of the others are Heroic enough. As for Planetary shields stopping the Halo Weapons… not happening. Not much is known about how they work, but it requires extreme distances to be safe from it. Also the Forunners who built the Halo’s would have factored shields in and made them so they should have enough 'what ever they use' to overpower anything. After all it’s a weapon designed to wipe out all life in the galaxy, nothing is suppose to be able to hide from it, just be really far away when it goes off.
Post #295
The Elites are the Military might of the Covenant, they are the Leaders when it comes to military matters. The only reason that the Prophets took over during the Human Covenant war was that they were trying to cover up the fact that the humans were the descendants of their ‘Gods’. But as the Humans in SW evolved separately from the Human in Halo, They wouldn’t have to cover anything up and would leave the military matters to the Cast that knows it best.
Post #296
I agree with everything you said.
Post #301
Yes the closest SW equivalent to the Banshee would be the Snow Speeder.
The Suicidal aspect of the Covenant would defiantly give them an advantage.
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It all depends on which era it is if their was a Sun Crusher or Eclipse. But if it’s “Palpatine’s era”, the Empire doesn’t need them when the battle is 5000 vs. 1000000x, and the Empire outnumbers the Covenant 1: 200. The Covenant and Empire are not even. Is 1: 200 an even match? No, the Empire is massive. This is no even battle, but a one-sided battle.
I was making clear arguments. I was being sarcastic. If you guys can’t decipher a joke from a statement, then… man, you guys need to loosen up or get a life. In the last paragraph, I gave you guys the real odds (no sarcasm).
There were plans for Dark troopers in the Emperor’s storehouse. If the Empire really wanted to, new Dark troopers could have been put into production. (When Thrawn found the Emperor’s storehouse he found a lot of secret blueprints, data, devices, weapons, and stuff that the Emperor hid to keep safe.)
TIE Maulers could run over troops, and they are very fast so dodging and outrunning the enemy wouldn’t be a problem for the Maulers, but I doubt the Empire would even use them during a conflict with the Covenant. Support squadrons of TIE Interceptors would make short work of any slow-moving Banshees and Ghosts, thus protecting the AT-ST walkers. AT-AT cannon fire would be more than enough to destroy a Scarab, but a Scarab’s main cannon is enough to penetrate an AT-AT. They are different but it is pretty much an even match between them. Though the Empire has a lot more Imperial Walkers than the Covenant has Scarabs, so in the end the AT-AT walkers would be left standing.
TIEs cannons are stronger than Seraph shields, and the TIEs are faster than Seraphs in dogfights the mass amount of faster TIEs would overwhelm and outmaneuver the Seraphs.
The same way Earth was protected from the Halo activation, the Imperials would be protected from a Halo activation (plus others could escape an activation by a hyperspace jump).
The Imperial fleet would have no problem destroying or even salvaging the Halo installations.
Elites are probably the best that the covenant has to offer, but that wouldn’t be a factor for Imperial troops that have fought bigger (and worse) species before (during the post-Clone Wars/Empire era).
Wait one second! Hold up here, what do you mean “evolved.” The humans from the SW galaxy might have micro-evolved but they didn’t just evolve (you really have to specify that). No evolution took place between the humans in the SW galaxy, except microevolution (There is a major difference between microevolution and macroevolution).
A Snowspeeder is not an equivalent of a Banshee. It is greater than a Banshee. “T-47 airspeeder’s speed: 650 km/h; Banshee’s speed: 100 km/h”
Suicidal Covenant troops wouldn’t be an advantage to the Covenant, but rather to the Empire. “One less ‘bugger’ to deal with” –Imperial soldier
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It depends on what time period the Empire is in when they fight the covenant. So saying there is no esclipse is completely wrong. The only reason it was ever destroyed was Luke and Lea were able to reverse the force of the new emperor and it destroyed the esclipse.
AT-AT armor can withstand magma according to Thrawn, lets see a scarb survive that. A covenant Capitol ship compared with the Imperial Star Destroyer is a terrible match. The ISD(55 turbo lazers, ion cannons and many other attributes) has much more fire power than most covenant capitol ships which explains how hard it would be for a covenant capitol ship to ram an ISD.
This is not necessarily a battle between capitol ships. This is also a battle of other space vehicles. Broadside cruisers have very longranged boron missles that are devastating to space stations and frigates. The tartan patrol cruiser would be a counter to Seraphs because it is designed to take out small fighters and it is 200-600 meters long equipted with lazer cannons.
Tie defenders are very maneuverable fighters with ion cannons, lazer cannons and proton torpedoes. Even if there is not a lot of them they could take down several covenant capitol ships before being destroyed due to its maneuverability and shielding.
Clone Commandos would give the covenant a fit. There like another master chief but in more numbers. Imagine what over a hundred commandos could do.
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Yes, it does depend on the time period. AT-AT walker’s armor could withstand magma. Covenant ships would no match for a superior ISD. The many other ships like cruisers and dreadnaughts would also add to the Imperial fleet (not just ISDs). Clone Commandos are warriors superior to Spartans.