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This might help. We are planting about 2,000 apple trees this spring and the majority will be on BUD-9. Our current orchard has a lot of M111. They take longer to grow - about 5 years but they are very hardy and keep producing well. BUD-9's on the other hand are there to give you a very quick crop of apples but the trees require staking and grow small along with a small number of apples per tree. M111 require 10 - 15 ft apart during planting. BUD-9's require about 4 - 6 ft apart.

http://www.bighorsecreekfarm.com/rootstock.htm

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