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Originally Posted by Jerry
Please apply the 'Jerry Test': If I offered this data and error bars this wide as proof of an ATM theory, it would draw a wild chorus of Naays. As I said the last time we churned this: There is more going on the Either Newton or Einstein allowed and we are finally seeing evidence of it.
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Only, maybe for the Earth, would such a ATM result get a nay. And only would these error bars be accepted when there is a plausible explanation in the ATM theory for the size of the error bars.
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That said, you can't even whisper the equations of Maxwell in complex setting without worrying about second order effects: Whether or not you have a good handle on the causality.
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Maxwell's equations? What have they to do with GR? And what do you mean by "complex setting?" And what "second order effects?"
div(B) = 0
curl(B) = J + dE/dt
curl(E) = - dB/dt
div(E) = rho
do you mean with second order that you get a 2nd order derivative if you want to get a wave equation for E or B?
the second order term that
Tensor was talking about was in the Taylor series approximation of the GR equations, which are the terms that go with v
2/c
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GR is just one of many possible explanations, not the right one. I am also curious as to why the error bars are tighter for Icarus than for the Earth or Venus. Has somebody got a bead on Icarus?
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if you would read, you would have seen that it has to do with the eccentricity of the planet, that is important for the effect.
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What makes you assume the data is inconsistent with my theory? I pointed out there is not an obvious connection, because the data is not well enough defined, but it is another gravity anomaly in a place that if I am correct there must be gravity anomalies
Did you even read the article? It says right in the article they need more observations of this important clue to constrain the possible explanation. And if all goes well, we will get it!
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Okay, so they need MORE density in a certain location (which is, by the way, not so much of a problem, there are enough density anomalies. I will need to search for the correct reference here) to get the orbit right, which will be added to the generally accepted average density.
However, YOU need a lower density that then generally accepted average. How on Earth (or Mercury) can the two be compatible?
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