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Old 02-April-2008, 04:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Ken G View Post
Let's look at that. I'd say that at any time about 1/100 of its internal energy is radiant, but the rest is related to gas pressure at a temperature of about 10 million K, which corresponds to protons moving at 1/1000 of the speed of light. So you have 100 times more energy in the proton motions, and 1 million times more energy in the proton rest mass than in their motions, so yes I get maybe 10-8 but that's not accurate enough to rule out 10-7.I think it would be fair to call this the "gravitational mass" of the Sun, for example. We are dropping factors of 2 and so forth right and left, but I think it's fair to say that up to 1 part in 10 or 100 million of the gravity that the Sun produces comes from the radiant energy in there at any moment.
Hi Ken

Yes, the statement that the gravity comes from that energy is a nice way of putting it. I am also interested in the question of what proportion of the gravitational energy also comes from kinetic energy due to motion of matter (i.e relativistic mass increase). If I remember when I worked this out once before it was small compared with the radiant energy, but it would be nice to have this confirmed.

Just to confirm how I got 10^-7, I assumed that the life of the Sun is about 10^10 years and that it converts 0.7% of its mass to radiant energy (although I suppose some goes to neutrinos) as a result of H --> He fusion. I used the 170,000 years to work out what proportion of the energy is in the Sun at any one time, surprisingly 0.0017% of what it ever produces. Of course there are some other processes after that, but I am guessing that the present rate of conversion is about an average for 10^10 years. That gave me an answer of 1.19*10^-7 which I figure is accurate to about 1 digit anyway.

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Ray
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