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Old 07-April-2008, 10:06 PM
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Originally Posted by CodeSlinger View Post
Good, then we are agreed that Big Bang cosmology does not involve laws of physics changing over time. Which brings us back to the original context for that question: why do you insist Noether's does not apply to Big Bang's expanding universe? For the nth time, Noether's says that if the laws of physics remain unchanged over time, then energy is conserved. Having acknowledged that laws of physics do not change over time in Big Bang's expanding universe (the requisite conditions for conservation of energy in Noether's theorem), please show why Noether's does not establish conservation of energy in Big Bang's expanding universe.
Finally I have understood the problem. You have mixed physical law with physical system. While the first might be preserved in expanding universe physical system might change so that its energy isn't conserved (in other words the words "translation through time" don't mean the same thing for both). E.g. two charges separated by a certain distance in expanding universe are a second later separated by a greater distance. So depending on the sign of the charges their energy either grows or becomes smaller, or in other words, energy changes. It is not conserved. Since their physical system can't be translated through time in expanding universe, while all physical physical laws (even the conservation of energy) can. That's why the energy can be conserved in expanding universe in separated islands and so that law of conservation of energy can, but energy can't be conserved globally. It is kind of ironic but it is just how it is. It can be conserved globally in a static universe though, since the example with two charges don't work there since their system is translated through time but only in a static (or stationary) universe.

I hope you learned something and later I'll try to explain you more physics since it must be frustrating not to understand basic ideas like "translated through time". But don't worry just imagine my problems while changing from a sculptor to a relativist. But I'm already there and still remember my old problems so I may help you a lot. Just cheer up