09-April-2008, 04:24 PM
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Intellectual Design
This thread stems from the comments from Oklahoma: One Step from Doom blog. I am always one up for a good intellectual converation and this seems like a good place to debate Evolution.
From the last comment:
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Jasonon 24 Mar 2008 at 12:03 pm
”What science can do, however, is to show that certain natural processes are more likely explanations than intervention by a supernatural power……”
I agree…..
”certain claims made by IDers and other religious types that can be disproven through scientific methods……”
Agreed
”science deals strictly with the natural world, while religious belief deals with the spiritual, or at least it should.”
Yes and No, yes science can explain natural phenomenon, such as Natural Selection, Adaptation, Erosion, Gravity, Global Warming ect….. But how did it start? ID deals with the initial development of the natural world, (I guess can be labeled as philisophical/theological) directly opposing EVOLUTION in the science class.
For example, the Grand Canyon, above it was metioned “Christian Fundamentalists refused to believe that it had been created over millions of years”, ie. evloved. I agree, that is pretty niave, as erosion is pretty undeniable. but how did it start?
We can use science to model what we ‘believe’ to have happened, but can’t fully explain. We can model/map our entire ‘known’ solar sysytem, predict our next solar eclipse, the next time we’ll see Haley’s comet, and each planet and constellation location at any given time. I think they say somehting like “looking into space is like looking into the past”; meaning we can take this model and work backwards to determine our origins, such as BIG BANG. How does the universe keep such perfect time and order? How was Earth so lucky to maintain a orbit around the sun that life has been maintained for millions of years? By chance? Before long our solar system seems to us as nothing more than textbook physics, a understandable creation, much like a trained mechanic working on a internal combustion engine, and before long there is no need for a CREATOR. Much like today, kids born into technology who really have no concept of ‘doing things the hard way’. Do cellphones somehow make the inventor of the telegraph meaningless and trivial?
ID supporters are trying to make the issue a question of free speech and human rights, rather than a question of science.
In certain circumstances YES, 1st AMendment “freedom of speech and religion”. Many are preaching tolerance, unfortunatley some are only tolarant of there own belief, coupled with ’seperation of church & state’, ID w/ or w/o God, has no chance in the public school.
educational standards are based more on public opinion than on sound, scientific thinking.
I don’t think public opinion or science has any relevance America’s public school system, mostly politics. I think the the majority of ID’ers would be statisfied that if during the week of teaching BIG BANG, that it was atleast metioned that ID was/is by some considered the origin of the universe/life and the differences between micro and macro evolution. I don’t think anyone has asked to start preaching in schools.
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BTW, I recently heard about Ben Stein's "Expelled" on radio and watched trailer on YouTube. He seems to understand my frustation of ID being totally excused as idiotic and is not even worth mentioning or questioning, although science has yet to 'prove' anything.
Any thoughts?
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