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Originally Posted by Lonest@r
I don't necessarily think ID should automatically be labeled as Religious, maybe philosophical or ideological.
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I don't see "science" in that list.
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Can someone build a case for ID by means of developing models using laws of Entropy and probability?
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Well, the ones I've heard (many times!) were based on misunderstandings of the subjects.
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As i mentioner in blog, I think it's funny how the same 'intelligent' people who think gambling/lottery is dumb because of the odds, “might as well throw money away, stupid tax”, deny or discredit any possibility of intelligent design.
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Two points: First, people do win at lottery quite regularly. The odds are only bad for the individual. That's actually one of the points of evolution: There are many simultaneous trials. Second, there is no evidence of ID. That isn't the same thing as saying it isn't a possibility. And, if we're going to consider options not supported by evidence, it isn't the only alternative available. For instance, maybe the universe is truly infinite and regions just form here and there. Perhaps, five minutes ago, there was a region that happened to form us, with all our memories, the planets, stars, etc. We can't say it's impossible. We could also get into arguments that the world is an illusion, too.
Should we teach that in science class as well?
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Isn't that what black holes, dark matter and the BIG BANG are; undefined forces.
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By no means, they are defined by observation and theory. They are subject to possible falsification and research is going on all those areas.
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Don't know Ben Stein's full position, as I just recently heard about it, but I did hear on an interview that he is not claiming to be right, just wants all the facts, theories, and ideas to all be equally represented.
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Stein has also compared evolution with Nazism. You can read about some of that from the links in my previous post. From his statements, it's clear that Stein is operating from a strongly religious position. Many of his statements are, frankly, very insulting and miss the mark so widely it's hard to accept he is merely ignorant and not being deliberately deceptive.