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Old 30-April-2008, 04:07 AM
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According to my speculations, protons do grow as I described here and here too.

Those two posts include speculations that show how quanta form from the energy background and merge to form particles. You can see that the process of proton formation is like “growing” a proton from the energy quanta.
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All you have are speculations. Where are there any observations of a free proton having any rest mass other than the one we measure, having a charge other than +e, a spin other than 1/2 h-bar, an isospin other than +1/2? No proton has ever been seen in the process of growth. You are misleading Carole if you imply otherwise.
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You never see a quark during the formation of a proton. Why not? Because the proton doesn’t show its quarks until it is smashed. When you smash a proton it is like splitting open billiard balls by shooting them at each other from cannons. Inside of the proton the density is equalized across the entire contents. The contents of course are the 700 billion or so quanta that are collapsing to high density spots (HDSs) and bursting, exchanging sub-quanta and collapsing and bursting continually.
I'm sorry, but experiments have been performed that have shown electrons scattering off charged components with exactly the charges predicted by quark theory. Momentum has been shown to be divided between charged and neutral components of the proton as well, showing that gluons are present within protons. There are dozens of experiments that have shown this. All you have is your "speculations" and your "stories".
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The synchronization of the proton’s quanta is interrupted by the collision of high speed protons and the result is a cloud of disrupted quanta from within the smashed protons. The cloud has all the pieces of the protons and the pieces are trying to rejoin as sub-quanta from the HDS bursts reform into quanta and collapse into HDSs. The reformed particles and the space involved results in a variety of exotic particles that don’t naturally exits and are short lived. Quarks are a common exotic particle that has been repeatedly identified in the debris.
So why don't we ever find anything with charges of +(1/5)e or -(3/7)e? With over 700 billion components why do protons burst apart in only a few limited modes?
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These speculations can explain why quarks are not found in nature but are still thought to be fundamental particles that make up protons. The formation of a proton from quarks has never been observed leading to speculation that protons actually “grow” from quanta and that quarks don't form until protons are smashed.
Again, the experiments I have alluded did not result in the "smashing" of any protons, just the scattering of electrons from charged components of the proton.

As for "The formation of a proton from quarks has never been observed", your use of that argument is reminiscent of the creationists who say that "macroevolution (speciation) has never been observed." I wish that we could create a few free quarks, hold them for awhile and recombine them at our leisure. But the laws of physics don't allow us to do this. We have to throw particles together in an accelerator and see what happens. And in all our years of throwing particles around, we have never seen a partially-formed proton, electron, or partially-formed anything else for that matter. We have always observed complete particles.
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