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It took valuable time for you to post here. Your motive is to emphasize the speculative nature of my posts, point out to Carole and any others who might read here that they are unfounded, and point to areas where existing science contradicts my speculations. Your position is well presented and accomplishes all of that.
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It also took valuable time for you to post here as well. Time that could have been spent on mastery of the math and physics needed to support your speculations.
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Let me be defensive for a bit. These are speculations that result from forming reasonable step by step ideas that allow for our observable universe and all of the known physics. [Snip!]
My speculations start with the step by step back history that leads to expansion of what we observe. It requires speculations about unknown physics that could cause a big crunch to form and burst resulting in that expansion.
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Unfortunately your speculations aren't even backed up with known physics, so there is no way of telling whether the "unknown physics" is even necessary.
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With the help of others over a few years I have written the history of the universe that predates the expansion of our universe. Fiction is a fair way to refer to it but fiction based on what I and others think are the simplest answers for what predated our expanding universe.
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What you and others think are the "simplest answers" is irrelevant; does your fiction even remotely represent the Universe we live in? At the level of particle physics your "speculations" and "unknown physics" do not.
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Celestial Mechanic and others who are kind enough to post on my threads often do so for their own reasons and not to help my process. But often that turns into helpful points. CM’s posts have been helpful in the past and his recent post supports the Particle Model and Particle Theory that is the leading edge of mainstream quantum physics. I accept all of the proved science and most of the peer reviewed theory. [Snip!] I don’t know what the steps are between my growing of a proton and the particle physics that CM discusses, but I am confident that the point where I leave off and where science will eventually go will meet.
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There really is no place for a "growing proton". No such thing has ever been observed. Nowhere are there observations of protons with 600 billion, 650 billion, 700 billion of your imagined "EEPs". Apart from such properties as energy, momentum, orientation of the spin, all protons are identical to one another from the moment they are created until the moment they decay or transform into something else via the appropriate interaction. There is no "growth".
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Rest mass, charge, spin, fundamental particles and fundamental forces are part of what science knows and has good reason to believe. If they complete their knowledge then we will understand all of the forces of nature and that will explain much of what we don’t now know, including nucleosynthesis. My confidence that the answers will identify a unifying particle and unify all of the forces of nature into one cause is what motivates me.
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The problem is, we already have these "unifying particles", unless there is a lower level of structure, however, there is no evidence for this yet. Everything that we have seen in the particle accelerators and everything in the material world that we can detect is made out of these unifying particles. You have every right to be dissatisfied that there are so many of them (6 quarks, 6 leptons, 3 possibly 4 types of gauge particles, the Higgs, maybe even supersymmetric partners for all of these that I have mentioned, maybe more (?)). I doubt that even a lower level of structure could lower this number by much. This is the current state of our knowledge.
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In my speculations, that unifying particle is the quantum energy increment, aka the quantum, the Elementary Energy Particle, the unifying particle, etc., all names for the particle and force that will fulfill Grand Unification Theory.
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You realize that energy is just one component of a four-vector, and that the value that is measured depends on the frame of the observer doing the measuring, don't you? Even if energy really comes in increments measured in the rest frame of the EEP, the values of the energy will be different in another frame, and not all particles are likely to be in the same frame.
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I have linked quanta synchronization to spin, particle charge to energy density equalization that causes quanta to swarm low energy density environments like what I describe occurs as part of quantum action, and that I speculate surrounds synchronized particles. But I don’t focus on quantum physics to explain the tie out between my speculations and the Particle Model for two reasons. I already antagonize the mainstream by my speculations, and the body of speculations necessary to develop a consistent road map from where science is now to where I believe science will end up is beyond my capabilities.
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Your speculations "antagonize" the main stream precisely because they are not backed up with real math and physics. By your own admission below all you have is "word salad". It is not the speculations that are beyond your capabilities; you've demonstrated that; it's the math and physics that are momentarily beyond your abilities. I urge you to start studying the math and physics necessary towards making real, reasonable, and responsible speculations.
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My word salad as the mainstream calls it is simply a step by step set of speculations that I think are reasonable and responsible. CM’s post addresses a small set of steps that speculate about how a proton forms from the energy density of space in our expanding arena. But to get to that step I have had to speculate about new physics to cause the expansion of our universe.
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But how about learning some real physics before you start invoking new physics? You sound too much like the
Star Trek: Voyager TV series and its use of the "Particle of the Week" discovered in the engine-room to solve this episode's problem.
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It is hard to see that if you haven't followed my posts and even if you have it is hard to accept any new physics that mainstream doesn't recognize. [Snip!] But the new physics and Particle Theory are not yet compatible as CM points out. [Snip!]
The steps between growing the proton from energy quanta that form in the energy background and quark theory are problematic to CM and mainstream but to me they are future discoveries that must occur if there is to be unification. I have conceded before that maybe quarks form and then protons and neutrons and any other quark bearing particles. But I haven’t yet evolved my speculations to get into detail on that subject and those connecting speculations will be provided by the mainstream as time goes on.
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All it will take is an observation of a "growing proton".
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[Snip!] There have been a few who have followed my posts who are supportive of my technique and tolerant of my speculations.
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None of them are, however, qualified to render judgment on the matter.
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No one has been able to start at the beginning and show me where the first fatal error creeps in.
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I've pointed to a few; composites of your EEPs having quantum numbers that no constituent has is the most serious.
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It is easy to see that particle physics doesn’t support my scenario of proton formation but they don’t have a sequence of events that is causally connected to the formation and burst of a big crunch.
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The mainstream not having or even needing this theory does not automatically validate yours. Sorry.
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They are only constrained by working from science that is causally connected to the early moments of expansion that is referred to as Big Bang Theory.
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We are also constrained by working from observations and experiments that we can conduct here and now. Your speculations do not pass this muster.