One of the accusations in the videos was that JayUtah and Phil relied on a socalled expert to deal with the C-rock, but that this expert is also a follower of Hoagland, which is swept under the carpet IIRC.

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Van Rijn's original Invisible Elf was running for the North Carolina Senate, but dropped out of the contest after the paparazzi snapped him with a cute pixie just outside Disney World in Florida. Now he has settled down with her as they await their first child, writing his biography of life in Van Rijn's backyard, - Now you prove me wrong