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Originally Posted by Neverfly
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Originally Posted by Michael Noonan
Believe me tommac you will be attacked mercilessly for trying to define space. It has no definition. If you say it has energy someone will say that it is a vacuum. If you say that it is empty someone else will say that it is brimming with energy. If you go half and half both sides will attack you.
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Now, this is just inaccurate.
You're stepping off on the slim part of the branch at this point and, frankly, I really had thought you knew better.
I don't know exactly what bitterness drove you to make such a post, but I should think you need to Check It.
I'm sure you are well aware that is not how science works and that science - as a concept- is about knowing what space is.
The conflicts only arise when people speculate wildly without any supporting evidence, supporting mathematics to demonstrate, or operating under assumptions, misguided thinking or misconceptions that we already know to be incorrect.
I thought you said Science doesn't want to know?
Utter nonsense. Very few people out there have their job security depending on what "space" is made out of. This outlandish claim doesn't match up with reality and can only be a figment of the bitterness I asked about a moment ago.
This is like Conspiracy Proposing: The scientists are lying in order to keep their jobs.Sheesh  Apparently you don't follow many scientific journals!
Again Noonan, I really thought you knew better. I'm disappointed.
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I am quite sure I didn't say that scientists are lying. It is just that after a year or more on the outer I would like to see
tommac get a pleasant run as he has a lot of really good questions and I do remember being given the run around. But then I am not currently looking to enroll in a physics course.
In fact space is surprisingly difficult from a quantum perspective based on the potential multiple universe theory of cosmology which means a lot of things that we would naturally think of as being real do not exist in our time frame.
Case in point the GPS satellites are about 11 seconds slower in real their time compared to earth based time due to not being in the gravity well of the earth. In a way it could even be said based on quantum particle uncertainty principles that it might even be doubtful they were made in the universe we exist in.
A bit far fetched, well every second all that we know goes through 10^44 Planck time intervals in which all movement is calculated. Can one assume the calculation holds true for something so far out in space and of the what of the Voyager probes. On that thought about the strangeness of space little errors change of protocols, variations in code and design all have to be considered. If communication stops is it a fault in our universe or the one that the probe originated in?
Space is not well defined and an accepted and highly accurate definition would indeed go a long way to advancing the cause of science.
And yes
Neverfly I must be a grumpy old man today but every time I look at something that appears so simple it gets very complex. Either that or my circular thinking is annoyingly complex to someone who wants everything to be more simple, me.
Whatever you do
tommac I hope it goes well for you and you enjoy it. Alternately there is an ignore button if I am too abrupt, sorry all
