You have been tutored by the best of the best for days now. Do you realize how much time Jay and others have spent trying to make you understand the logic behind scientific meathod? What exactly would satisfy you? What would they have to say to you to make you happy? As an interested uninformed observer I have completely lost track of what your purpose might be here. I will make a prediction: whereever you go, you will never again find a more informed group of people who are willing to spend half the time these guys did, educating you. Good luck Bart--joe