its good to talk about this I ran into problems back at Apollo hoax boards..yes there are tricksters but some people are genuine and have all kinds of experiences..that science has no explanation for (or sometimes sadly doesn't want to know)...

I am spiritually minded and as far as I am concerned there are alternate realities that we will one day we will no more about.

But yes I can see where your coming from & no Matsutov I have not been to Broolkyn and bridges are interesting engineering feats..and I have no intentions of jumping off one, I AM HAPPY BECAUSE I AM POSITIVE AND HAVE GOALS.

and as for OBE I was awake not thinking about any THING!! & that appears to be the "key"..without conscious effort.It's an extraordinary experience!

PL