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Old 20-June-2008, 03:53 PM
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Sure anyone with a telescope would surely be able to spot such a large object in the sky right? Well what if it is a brown dwarf that is almost hidden in a fog of dust coming from behind the sun?
How dense would the fog have to be to hide an object that big, and what evidence is there that any such fog exists? A brown dwarf is roughly the size of Jupiter, and I can see Jupiter even when it only a few degrees from the Sun. It is only hidden when it passes so close it is lost in the glare or actually beind the Sun itself. The same is true of other planets, which can be seen quite close to the Sun by observers on the ground and by such as the SOHO satellite. The path this object would have to follow to remain hidden behind the Sun as we zip round it defies physics.

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You would have to think it would be rather difficult to detect.
Why?

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It would most likely disturb other planets in our solar system, but when? How close would it have to be to cause a noticeable disruption?
Neptune, a planet considerably smaller than Jupiter or any brown dwarf, caused a disruption in Uranus's orbit that was detected in the 1800s using nothing more than visual observations and some pencil and paper calculations, and Neptune is about 1.5 billion kilometres away from Uranus at its closest approach. It was much further away than that when astronomers realised it was pulling Uranus off its predicted orbit. Shove a Jupiter-sized object into the system and someone really is going to notice when their GOTO telescopes stop working properly.

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If a large object like this were to make a near approach it could very easily cause a pole shift.
Could it? By what mechanism would a passing mass affect the internal dynamo of the Earth's mantle and core such as to effect a complete reversal of the magnetic field?

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Also as we all know, the new South Pole telescope. Are they really using that to observe our ever expanding universe, and how it is speeding up?
What evidence do you have that they are not? What is so special about the South Pole as an observing location and the South Pole Telescope as an optical instrument that gives it a privileged view of our near neighbours compared to, say, an observer in Australia or South America?

I might also mention that the few examples I have seen of people claiming that images of Nibiru were taken by the South Pole Telescope use images clearly dated as having been captured in January. No mean feat, since January is 24 hours of sunlight at the South Pole....

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What about this new doomsday vault built near Norway? http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/europe...eds/index.html
This is supposed to house almost every species of seed known to exist. This was just recently completed. So now the question, would this be a favorable location if there was going to be a pole shift?
What location would not be favourable in the event of a pole shift compared to other catastrophes that might befall us?

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I do honestly believe that if such a catastrophic event occurred that our government would withhold this information for obvious reasons.
And what of the other governments throughout the world? How do you stop amateur astronomers seeing Nibiru if it is there? How do you make sure that all the professionals keep quiet? How far away would Nibiru become a naked eye object that could not be hidden by any government ever?

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Mass hysteria would set in, people would quit their jobs, money would become useless. The only things that would become of any value would be radiation suits, food and a safe hideaway away from the coasts.
Whereas keeping everyone carrying on with their lives as if nothing is coming is a very sound way to deal with the crisis?

A large planetary object passing through the inner solar system is simply not something that can be kept secret. Go outside on a clear night and look at what you can actually see with your unaided eyes. You can see all the way out to Saturn easily. With a half-decent pair of binoculars you can see the Moons of Jupiter. A half decent telescope can show you Pluto if you know where you are looking. How could you hide a massive object like a brown dwarf?
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