And that will enable you to keep needling skeptics practically forever. First tell us what you did to ascertain your new darling's qualifications and experience. Since you lied about Karla Turner I don't trust you to have conducted an appropriately critical review.

I did not lie about Karla Turner. That was your assesment and reason to dismiss her work. I still believe it to be valid and an insightful look into the phenomena by an educated person who was herself a vicitim. You through the lier label around quite liberally. I do not see a disagreement on the validity of her work as a foundation for lying.

Nor do I percieve losing or winning this debate as having much importance. To loose I would have to present everyone of many thousands of cases abd have each one debunked. I do not think either of us is prepared for that.

What is at main issue is the abduction phenomena. You make a lot of observations about Karla Turner and Budd Hopkins. What are your qualifications and experiance in the field of psychology to do so?

I think it callous and irresponsible to make declarations about motive and attitude when the victims become a pawn of skepticism or belief.

These people claimed to have been harmed. If you are correct then they are victims of Budd Hopins and others who promote their false memory. If you are wrong then you support the denial of help and support from mainstream science and psycology.

I just thought we could cut to the main issue and stop wasting time and energy on the side issues. You are not going to convince me of your viewpoint on these issues and I am not going to convince you either.

If these people are victims of abduction proponents like Budd Hopkins then it would be the responsibility of mainstream science to prove this and end the falsehood of misguided good intentions or of outright fraud as the case may be.

If they are victims of abduction then it is neglegent of science to ignore their plight because it goes against their beliefs.

Alien abduction is the name of this thread and the side issue of trying to establish supporting evidence for the existence of aliens does not further this issue.