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Originally Posted by parejkoj
My apologies. As I said, I have not been following this entire long, sometimes circular, thread. I'm sorry I mistook your position, though I'm still somewhat unclear on what it is (see below).
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I can see how it could happen considering that I have a curious stance...
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Originally Posted by parejkoj
I don't disagree, but I'm not sure how that is relevant to the issue at hand regarding math (and, by extension, science). If there is no measurable difference in ability between two groups, any discussion of "physical characteristics" seems moot. What am I missing?
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The physical characteristics has been a part of the entire conversation.
Although I agree that between the genders, labeling one or the other intellectually inferior seems like utter nonsense, there is also the matter of individual ability- which knows no gender.
Stereotypes come into play most, when others observe characteristics of an individual and then try to clump them in with a group and claim that entire group suffers those characteristics.
It's happened to me and others in this thread. If I say that DNA plays a role, suddenly I'm getting clumped into the "Women can't do math crowd" even though I do not agree with that crowds claim either.
Like it or not DNA IS EVERYTHING.
It plays a major role.
DNA even plays a major role in whether or not a person is capale of recognizing liabilities and overcoming them.
I do not see how one gender or the other has an advantage in this regard.
However, the DNA role should not just be dismissed simply for PC.
Whether male or female, brain function, DNA, chemical make up etc- WILL play a hand in how able that person is at any task.
Whether it's acuity, hand eye coordination etc.
Training and development can increase these things- but not by a phenomenal amount. It is still limited by that bodies potential.
I just don't think there is a differing limit for men and women.
The issue I am having in this thread is that I am seeing a lot of people trying to cast doubt or dismiss the clear evidence that is grounded in evolutionary biology and human ability.
Gender probably plays no real or substantial role in intellectual ability.
But many of the things discussed do play major roles and I don't like seeing them suddenly distorted and downplayed because someone fears that that evidence may cause harm to their argument.
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Originally Posted by parejkoj
I hope I have not jumped on any bandwagons, nor distorted any evidence. If I have done so, I certainly hope that someone points it out to me!
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I have not seen you do so
