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Old 03-September-2008, 09:43 AM
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That doesn't make it right, though.
I never said it did.

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Hard Science deals with the best descriptions available for reality.
I'll go along with that. However, describers include poets, journalists, technical writers and teachers. It seems to me, maybe more misinformation on my part, but it seems to me, that scientists like to set themselves apart from other professions. If true, then, I think scientists err. They're still part of the human race, equation and/or experience. And, they do have to answer to the rest of us. Yes, there's lay social pressure just as important as scientist peer pressure. Since we foot the bill, maybe more important.

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Someone elses fears, even if they are a taxpayer, can be just as unfounded and irrelevant to science.
Well, sir, fear stands as the key word, here.

Unfounded or not, they better become very relevant, important and significant to wannabee scientists, scientists, undergraduates and other hangers on to the science professions. That's what I mean, scientists seem to seperate themselve from other people.
I respectfully submit, that such separation can be an illusion. Scientists are not separate from the rest of humanity.
Scientists should have to answer to the populations' fears.

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Halting scientific progress over an absurd claim made by folks ignorant about the physics - is Utter Nonsense.
No, it's not "...Utter Nonsense."; it's a fact of life. Neverfly, I am not anti-science. I'm trying to write a like-it-is and helpful post here. Life is neither a laboratory nor a clinic. Life includes those, as well as military, politics, economics, religion, education, legal types, street people, sales people, engineers who make theories happen, commerce and all kinds of other little professional, marketing, industrial and addict; as well as emotional and spiritual; worlds. All this a part of the ecology of this planet. And solar system, etc.

I repeat respectfully, scientists err to think that they can emotionally operate apart from the rest of the people on this planet. Science does not have and should not have, authority over the people of this planet. Science works best as an humble servant, aware of social, political, emotional and economic limitations put upon them, and not fight those limitations. Remain servant and science will not be feared; try to rule and science initiates fear in other people. Power play between Religion, politics and science plays into this.

And don't tell me, we'd still be eating raw food, if science didn't have control. Balderdash. I'm saying science should progress: slowly and carefully and with a care to human emotions and other limitations. I say, if scientists did that, we'd still be in the 1980's. And, there's nothing wrong with that, because this old man thinks science and technology has been progressing too far, too much and too fast. Too fast, even for scientists to have time to reliably process and consolidate all the new information which has been found, since the 1980's.

People have a choice, or can make a choice if there's not one given, of whom rules them. Science should recognize rather than debate that choice.

Imh lay o, that's where it's at. Just one of those little facts of life.
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