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I'll go along with that. However, describers include poets, journalists, technical writers and teachers. It seems to me, maybe more misinformation on my part, but it seems to me, that scientists like to set themselves apart from other professions.
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Really?
I would say artists do that.
In fact, name a profession in which folks don't?
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If true, then, I think scientists err.
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Fortunately, they check, double check, and recheck and they accept when they are in error. Especially, before they place the world in danger...
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They're still part of the human race, equation and/or experience. And, they do have to answer to the rest of us. Yes, there's lay social pressure just as important as scientist peer pressure. Since we foot the bill, maybe more important.
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How?
When the taxpayers, frankly, don't understand the math?
Nibiru?
2003- later 2012...
Planet X
Tu24
There's a lot of ignorance promoting fear out there...
Are scientists supposed to drop their work everytime some uninformed person gets goofy ideas?
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Well, sir, fear stands as the key word, here.
Unfounded or not, they better become very relevant, important and significant to wannabee scientists, scientists, undergraduates and other hangers on to the science professions. That's what I mean, scientists seem to seperate themselve from other people.
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See my commentary above.
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I respectfully submit, that such separation can be an illusion. Scientists are not separate from the rest of humanity.
Scientists should have to answer to the populations' fears.
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See my commentary above.
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No, it's not "...Utter Nonsense."; it's a fact of life. Neverfly, I am not anti-science. I'm trying to write a like-it-is and helpful post here. Life is neither a laboratory nor a clinic. Life includes those, as well as military, politics, economics, religion, education, legal types, street people, sales people, engineers who make theories happen, commerce and all kinds of other little professional, marketing, industrial and addict; as well as emotional and spiritual; worlds. All this a part of the ecology of this planet. And solar system, etc.
I repeat respectfully, scientists err to think that they can emotionally operate apart from the rest of the people on this planet.
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You keep claiming over and over that scientists are separate.
Why?
Scientists ARE part of the system.
But if your doctor discussed cancer with you- you would listen.
If your math instructor taught you calculus- you would listen
Why is it when a scientist says something, people feel they have to accuse and fight with the scientist?
Maybe you should Listen and learn!
Scientists do not owe some duty to pander to every Tom Dick and Harry that comes along.
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Science does not have and should not have, authority over the people of this planet. Science works best as an humble servant, aware of social, political, emotional and economic limitations put upon them, and not fight those limitations.
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That IS what scientists already have to do and they do it.
Yet, your claim of authority stems ONLY from the claim that the LHC is a threat.
So let me help you out:
It's Not A threat.
See?
Authority problem resolved.
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And don't tell me, we'd still be eating raw food, if science didn't have control. Balderdash. I'm saying science should progress: slowly and carefully and with a care to human emotions and other limitations. I say, if scientists did that, we'd still be in the 1980's. And, there's nothing wrong with that, because this old man thinks science and technology has been progressing too far, too much and too fast. Too fast, even for scientists to have time to reliably process and consolidate all the new information which has been found, since the 1890's.
People have a choice, or can make a choice if there's not one given, of whom rules them. Science should recognize rather than debate that choice.
Imh lay o, that's where it's at. Just one of those little facts of life.
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So hold on- Is this not about the LHC, but your OWN personal fears about progress?
Guess what: You're not the authority either.
I vote in direct contradiction and say let's progress forward.
Yeah, I find some of the new technology disturbing, like Microsoft spying on me etc.
Like Iphones and all that other hogwash.
I like simple phones that ONLY operate as a telephone.
I'm a bit of a Luddite myself and I'm still disagreeing with your, frankly, inaccurate and biased claims.