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Really?
I would say artists do that.
In fact, name a profession in which folks don't?
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Medical.
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Fortunately, they check, double check, and recheck and they accept when they are in error. Especially, before they place the world in danger...  |
That doesn't change that science remains responsible for initiating fear. I think some scientists are real poor at PR.
It seems to me, that LHC PR thinks there's no danger, in which to put the world. I'm not arguing that.
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How?
When the taxpayers, frankly, don't understand the math?
Nibiru?
2003- later 2012...
Planet X
Tu24
There's a lot of ignorance promoting fear out there...
Are scientists supposed to drop their work everytime some uninformed person gets goofy ideas?
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If they care about both their work and the public, yes.
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See my commentary above.
See my commentary above.
You keep claiming over and over that scientists are separate.
Why?
Scientists ARE part of the system.
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I know that and you know that; a lot of scientists know that; some of the public knows that. Nevertheless, science as a body comes across as detached from emotional realities.
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But if your doctor discussed cancer with you- you would listen.
If your math instructor taught you calculus- you would listen
Why is it when a scientist says something, people feel they have to accuse and fight with the scientist?
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I cannot and do not claim to speak for other lay people; nevertheless, I'd wager that a lot of other lay people share my concerns.
To answer this part of your post: I pay my doctor and math instructor to talk to me; I don't ask for volunteer professional speakers. When I want that, I go look in the newspaper or appropriate science journal.
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Maybe you should Listen and learn!
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I listen in accordance to my priorities, just like you and everybody else. I learn what I want to learn first, then what somebody else wants me to learn; just like you and everybody else. My priorities determine what I want to learn. Just like you and everybody else.
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Scientists do not owe some duty to pander to every Tom Dick and Harry that comes along.
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Maybe not, but they owe themselves the duty to listen to whomsoever may grab their lapels and speak into their faces. If they want to keep their funding, anyway.
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That IS what scientists already have to do and they do it.
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It seems that they don't do that very well.
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Yet, your claim of authority stems ONLY from the claim that the LHC is a threat.
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What claim to authority? I make no claim to authority.
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So let me help you out:
It's Not A threat.
See?
Authority problem resolved.
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I already knew that. I was referring to other people's fears.
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So hold on- Is this not about the LHC, but your OWN personal fears about progress?
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No. I don't fear progress. I just get tired of so much of it, so fast.
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Guess what: You're not the authority either.
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Didn't say I was. How about you don't put words in my mouth? OK?
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I vote in direct contradiction and say let's progress forward.
Yeah, I find some of the new technology disturbing, like Microsoft spying on me etc.
Like Iphones and all that other hogwash.
I like simple phones that ONLY operate as a telephone.
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Me, too.
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I'm a bit of a Luddite myself and I'm still disagreeing with your, frankly, inaccurate and biased claims.
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Well, I allow that I'm an opinionated man, and those are my opinions. And, bluntly, I disagree that these opinions are either inaccurate or biased.
You and I merely have different priorities, on what comes first. I have at least five other priorities, ahead of science.
I'll wager that science stands among your top three priorities.
And, that listing of priorities, sir, not my accuracy nor bias, is the cause of our disagreements.
I will not allow others to change my first four (which in the contemporary vernacular I would express as my ROM) priorities, since they date from my first five years of life on this weary old planet. And they are mine, and no one elses' business, whether or not to change them.
So, how about we agree to disagree?
I already posted my bottom line unpleasant consequence to LHC going full power on line.