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Medical.
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I don't see how.
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That doesn't change that science remains responsible for initiating fear.
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No.
Doomssayers initiate the fear.
Like TU24.org and countless other fear-mongering websites.
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It seems to me, that LHC PR thinks there's no danger, in which to put the world. I'm not arguing that.
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You say this now- yet later say:
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I already posted my bottom line unpleasant consequence to LHC going full power on line.
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Which is it?
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If they care about both their work and the public, yes.
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Think about this one.
If scientists dropped their work every time some doomsayer made a fear mongering website or some person went off the handle- they would NEVER get any work done.
The LHC issue has been covered- repeatedly. Most lay people don't understand it all- but that isn't the scientists fault either.
When you have a crowd of doomsayers making wild claims, you will NOT convince them otherwise anyway.
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I know that and you know that; a lot of scientists know that; some of the public knows that. Nevertheless, science as a body comes across as detached from emotional realities.
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Define reality?
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To answer this part of your post: I pay my doctor and math instructor to talk to me; I don't ask for volunteer professional speakers. When I want that, I go look in the newspaper or appropriate science journal.
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You don't ask for it but you have something to say about it when doomsayers promote fear- but because you don't PAY those scientists you don't have to listen?
Half your posts complains that they need to drop everything and pander to the whining public and now you claim that even if they do- you won't listen because you don't hand them a personal check?
What about your whole taxpayer argument?!
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I listen in accordance to my priorities, just like you and everybody else. I learn what I want to learn first, then what somebody else wants me to learn; just like you and everybody else. My priorities determine what I want to learn. Just like you and everybody else.
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When you are arguing the case that you think the LHC will destroy the world, you have made it your first priority for that conversation.
So for the sake of that conversation, you can either learn so you can know what you're talking about- or leave the conversation and focus on other priorities.
But claiming priorities is not an excuse for ignorance when you chose to partake in the conversation.
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Maybe not, but they owe themselves the duty to listen to whomsoever may grab their lapels and speak into their faces. If they want to keep their funding, anyway.
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Not when there is always a throng of wackos trying to grab their lapels.
Buzz Aldrin handled one of those with his fist.
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It seems that they don't do that very well.
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What makes you think so?
Because there's some wackos that just refuse to listen?
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What claim to authority? I make no claim to authority.
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Your claim was that science was trying to act as an authority over the human race.
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I already knew that. I was referring to other people's fears.
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You seem to be talking about your own. As I mentioned at the beginning of this reply.
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No. I don't fear progress. I just get tired of so much of it, so fast.
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I agree!
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Didn't say I was. How about you don't put words in my mouth? OK?
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That was not me putting words in your mouth.
I was addressing how you argued that scientists are not our authority and therefor don't have the right to experiment with the LHC.
My point was that you are not their authority to tell them not to either.
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Well, I allow that I'm an opinionated man, and those are my opinions. And, bluntly, I disagree that these opinions are either inaccurate or biased.
You and I merely have different priorities, on what comes first. I have at least five other priorities, ahead of science.
I'll wager that science stands among your top three priorities.
And, that listing of priorities, sir, not my accuracy nor bias, is the cause of our disagreements. I will not allow others to change my first four (which in the contemporary vernacular I would express as my ROM) priorities, since they date from my first five years of life on this weary old planet. And they are mine, and no one elses' business, whether or not to change them
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I'm not following you here...
Your posts seem to make the claim that:
-The LHC is a dangerous experiment
-Scientists are endangering us without our approval
and- Progress should be slow and careful.
Apollo was NOT slow and careful. And I LOVE IT!
It just is NOT human nature to take it easy- we get out there and face danger. It's one of our finer qualities.
Whatever personal priorities you have in your private life- are irrelevant to the position you have supplied in this discussion that you chose to take part in.
Or are you saying that these priorities account for you not understanding if the LHC is a true threat or not?
Are you saying your priorities outweigh the LHC results under the assumption that it even IS a threat?
I don't get it.
What does your personal priority list have to do with this conversation?