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Old 09-September-2008, 03:52 AM
Warren Platts Warren Platts is offline
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Originally Posted by cjameshuff View Post
Yes it does. There is nothing different between those collisions and the ones occurring in the LHC.
I'm the liar? Why don't you tell everyone what the difference in velocity relative to Earth that an LHC induced mBH has compared to a cosmic ray induced mBH. . . .

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Originally Posted by cjameshuff
At this point, this is a lie, plain and simple. You've had it explained numerous times. These numbers are based only on the fact that these collisions occur constantly throughout the universe. They do not depend on any extrapolations of gravity or any untested theory. They depend on simple observation: this stuff happens, nothing bad results.
And why don't you tell everyone that any mBH's that these cosmic rays create pass harmlessly through the Earth. But that any mBH's that the LHC create will be trapped by the Earth's gravity.

But aren't cosmic ray induced mBH's trapped in white dwarfs?
Assuming of course that nature allows us to extrapolate the semiclassical approximation to the quantum gravitational realm.
Lurkers, your attention please: the CERN argument that it will be OK to unleash mBH's here on Earth depends on the assumption that cosmic ray induced mBH's get stuck in white dwarfs--but that assumption depends upon another assumption: that quantum gravitational objects like mBH's obey the same semiclassical laws that ordinary particles like protons obey. It's not necessarily so, however. Why should we think that mBH's are going to behave the same as protons and neutrons given that mBH's dwell deep within a quantum gravitational zone that intersects the higher dimensions????

There certainly is no law of physics as we know it that mandates that higher dimensional objects like mBH's deeply embedded in a quantum gravitational environment must obey semiclassical approximations developed for the ordinary objects we encounter in every day life.

The mBH's might obey semiclassical laws--but then again, mBH's might obey their own laws. It could very well be the case that quantum gravitational laws allow cosmic ray induced mBH's to pass harmlessly through white dwarfs. Therefore, it very well could be the case that all cosmic ray induced mBH's are harmless because they pass through everything due to their extremely high velocity.

And it could very well be the case that slow mBH's produced by the LHC will be deadly, just because they will be trapped within the Earth.

The fact is, no one knows whether mBH's are safe or not.

Last edited by Warren Platts; 09-September-2008 at 04:30 AM.. Reason: grammar
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