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Originally Posted by Warren Platts
And so I will not be shouted down. I don't write for you anymore. I write for the lurkers, that they may know that it is OK to doubt the authorities, because the emperor wears no clothes.
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Well, someone has delusions of grandeur...
For the lurkers: take a brief look at Platt's part in the discussion and decide for yourselves just how much respect he deserves. Particularly note how often he misrepresents what his opponents say. Or his latest...ravings...
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Originally Posted by Pippin
They don't say it's the same temperature of a cosmic ray collision,
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But they do:
"As seen in Fig. 1, the highest-energy cosmic rays observed attain energies of
around 10^20 eV, and the total flux of cosmic rays with energies of 10^17 eV or
more that hit each square centimeter of the Earth’s surface is measured to be
about 5x10^–14 per second [5]."
Collisions of the same particles, at equal and greater energies. They don't have to say equal and greater temperatures, because it's true by definition of temperature. The same particles collide with the same energy, leading to the same number of fragments interacting in the same ways in the same volume of space, thus reaching the same temperatures. And this happens a quarter million times a second on Earth alone.
Again, just what do you believe is different about a collision that occurs in one of the LHC experiments?
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Originally Posted by Pippin
I personally infer from that with my shaky logic that the collision area of the ATLAS chamber will be at that temperature during the collisions.
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A tiny ball of quarks and gluons will briefly be at this temperature before exploding outward...into empty space, the atmosphere or body of a planet, the core of a star, or into the detectors arrayed around the ATLAS chamber.