Hi,
cmcdermid5. Welcome to the board.
Look I am very new to these forums, and frankly this is my first post. I came here for the most part to further my interest in Astronomy and while doing so came across a wealth of information about Nibiru.
Just remember: "information" on the Web varies from established fact to outright fabrication. A lot of very slick Web sites promote the latter.
Now I have a good memory having somewhat of a law enforcement oriented background I have a knack for connecting dots. I am goind to submit something to you and see what you think. Because I am curious about this subject and I would like to try and keep this grounded in as much fact as possible rather than silliness or speculation.
So here goes.
When I look at the topic of Nibiru I can see there is ALOT of speculators, frauds, and other such nelflings out there preaching gloom and doom.
Yes. Many of them are the same ones who were predicting our doom with the Jupiter Effect, and the "Grand Alignment" and Y2k and the
previous destruction of Earth by Nibiru/Planet X in 2003 and the startup of the Large Hadron Collider and a whole bunch of Raptures and...
But in fairness.... I remember very vividly NASA coming forward in 2003 saying they had indeed discovered a new planet. I do not recall the details, but one thing that stands out starkly in my mind was a photograph that showed a black planet (black round object) surrounded by a heavily pixilated red background almost like it was snapped using a radio telescope....I am new at this so forgive my ignorance. But I have clear memories of a gentleman in a grey sportscoat with greying hair and glasses pointing to this picture on an easil.
This actually sounds a great deal like the fuss made in 2003 about the
1983 IRAS discovery of certain galaxies highly luminous in the infrared, back during the previous peak of "Nibiru/PlanetX" nuttiness.
Now the most information I can piece together regarding this planet is that it is suppose to pass between the earth and the sun and will come with it's most gravitational effect somewhere in October 2012.
Nope. None of the
real recently discovered "tenth planets" (actually smaller than Pluto, which is now longer officially called a planet) are coming anywhere near the inner solar system. At all.
The most convincing of the people I read about out there on the web says that he was on the original team that classified the planet's existance and all relevant data supported that the planet was real was quickly classified by the US Airforce.
His name? Credentials? Where was he working when he made this earth-shaking discovery?
He further claims that his plot of the planets course comes from calculations he and his team pieced together before the project was classified.
Yet he freely goes discussing classified information on the Web, eh...?
He further claimed that the planet might have been made of darkmatter, or that the planet itself was surface comprised of non reflective material.
Or maybe it was made of unobtanium. Or peanut butter. Either choice makes as much sense as this alleged claim by this alleged "scientist".
Now the interesting part for me anyway......
Why the urgent creation of the Svalbard Seed Vault. Why is every nation in the world rushing to fill it with tonnes of seeds, genetic plant inforation and research data on the most bio deverse crops in the world. Why is the completion date for the project listed as Dec of 2011. Why the urgency.
There are 1400 seed banks around the world (according to Wikipedia). This is the newest and fanciest, certainly, but there is nothing fundamentally new about this. As for the "completion date" - what is your reference?and why do you consider nearly four years a timescale of "urgency"?
Bees have been going missing around the world in the last while. Here in Canada where I live out of the 78000 hives in Ontairo alone they have lost well over 60% of the known hives. Where are they going? I had read many speculations on the subject. There are more theories out there than cars. But I know that bees hibernate well. Then it occured to me. If so many nations are commiting hundreds of thousands of tonnes of seeds in all sorts of crop types to this self named disaster vault, then when it comes time to use them.....how would you polinate the crops if there were such an event that would make this vault come into its purpose. Then it occured to me that it is only logical that they would need bees.
Er, are you suggesting colony collapse disorder is actually beenapping on a massive scale?
Either way it concerns me..... But instead of trying to look for the planet as a body....why not try and find what it might be blocking. If it is darkmatter or a dark planet in nature, then it might be visiable more readily if we search for what might be missing as opposed to what is there.
A good idea; occultations are a very important astronomical tool. So: if the good folks behind the "Planet X/Nibiru/2012" claims really think it will be around here in October 2012, they
must have a very good idea of its orbital elements. Otherwise, there is no basis whatsoever for their claim.
Simple question: what, then, are the orbital elements for this object? It would be an almost trivial matter for any reasonably-equipped and appropriately-situated amateur astronomer to prove or disprove this notion.
Hint: if they tell you that "you can only see it from the South Pole", they are either lying or laughably ignorant of astronomy.
Either way it was fun to have your ear and just thought I would chuck my two cents in.
Hope this provides some food for thought. Stick around and enjoy the discussion!