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Originally Posted by djellison
Err, I know. I know that very very very well - indeed, I just spent several days of my own time, freely, doing animations for such an instrument ( C1XS on Chandrayaan 1 ) in an effort to raise awareness for exactly those sorts of colabs, and most specifically, Europe's space science activities.
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So you have even less reason to use the word "interloper' for a European instrument on US-launched mission.
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I am not saying ESA isn't publishing science papers (despite you inferring that I am ).
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Are are saying that they are not releaseing data to the public. That is false. They are, in a way that is different to NASA. That iss not a crime, just a different way of doing business.
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It is. Your extensive rant is misplaced
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Pointing out your errors is a "rant"? So be it.
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I was responding to this:
" There have been a few images showing sub surface features and thats about it."
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"Neither NASA or ESA seem to be posting much in the way of the discoveries that these instruments are making into the public domain (i.e. on their websites)."
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And if you knew anything about the processing of such data you would know that it takes a long time to produce the results. Have you ever seen raw GPR data? have you seen raw MARSIS data? I have seen both and have a student working on the MARSIS data from the Phobos flyby. When the data is processed it will be available.
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Go to the ESA website. He's right. And that's wrong.
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Wrong? By what standard? Yours? ESA are meeting their legal obligations, which don't include meeting your wishes.
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Plenty of science papers - but 4/5ths of f-all science outreach.
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Your thinly disguised obscenity is noted.
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Note that it is an engineering camera that has started a rapid-release policy in the mould of MER/Cassini/NH - the MEX VMC- not a science instrument.
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So what?
Are you saying that only one instrument, the US one, has delivered results? Based on the absence of links on a web site?
If so, you are wrong. Some examples found by a few minutes searching. the results are preliminary of course, but the mission is in its early stages.
http://dipastro.pd.astro.it/planets/...st-results.pdf
http://www.springerlink.com/content/c33ku02742846832/
http://adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2005DPS....37.1804C
ESA does not have a public education role. Yhey don't get the funding for it. Yopu can't fault them for not doing what they are not supposed to do. Maybe this studies will encourage them top do more. But whether not a bunch of kids are aware of what ESA has done has absoluetely no bearing on the scientific worth of what ESA does.
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There IS a difference between ESA and NASA - and it's counterproductive to deny it.
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They are different organisations operating under different conditions with different goals. that does not make one better than the other, only different. Or you you expect every space agency to be a NASA clone?
Jon