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Old 27-September-2003, 06:18 PM
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Tim Thompson

Sure, I understand exactly your point when you say "There are no cosmic electrons entering the sun!"

In my view, this is the nub of the entire issue.
No electrons entering the sun (to power the sun), then no electric stars and no electric universe...period!

So where are these mysterious electrons?

(I know you will disagree with what I am about to say, no matter, but I will post this reply anyway)

It appears that the slowing down of the Pioneer spacecraft may offer a measure of explanation as evidence for these mysterious electrons.
When these spacecraft eventually encounter the limit of the sun's influence, the heliopause (which is regarded as the "cathodic drop" region between the sun and interstellar space), further slowing down may occur and may perhaps include other anomalistic behaviour of these spacecraft, as has been predicted by the hypothesis.

To my mind, disregarding all other matters on the subject, the entire concept of the electric star hypothesis is essentially based on the "glow discharge" theory.
The electric star hypothesis claims that the sun is the anode located at the center of a cathodeless discharge, which as I mentioned in a previous post, is also called the "positive column".
Though the glow discharge theory is somewhat complex, in a glow discharge the current is carried through most of the volume, known as the positive column region, by a slow "drift" of electrons superimposed on their higher thermal velocity.
It takes place in a quasi-neutral plasma with a low density of ionization.
So it is only very close to the sun where these electrons are accelerated to relativistic speeds and where arc discharges occur.

Why have these electrons not been detected?

The explanation appears to be that spacecraft such as Soho, Ulysses etc soon become very highly negatively charged with respect to the surrounding space plasma and in addition to being embedded within the "solar wind", the combined effect causes these slow-drifting electrons to remain virtually undetectable.
Charged in this way, the velocity of these spacecraft through the plasma/solar wind would also have little effect in the detection of any accumulated electrons, as the spacecraft are also highly charged.
If it were possible, it seems that only a specially designed spacecraft sent sufficiently close to the sun (perhaps near the corona), could actually detect these incoming electrons.

Alternatively, maybe the Pioneer probes will reveal some unusual anomalies (as predicted) at the other end of the positive column, the cathodic end, where apparently there is a strong radial electric field.
At least if the Pioneer's do further decelerate near the heliopause, or even slowdown quite abruptly (assuming we can still receive data from these spacecraft), then this anomaly will require an explanation.

The "any comments" I was asking about, was concerning the statement made by Martin Rees, where it appears that the electrical force and the gravitational force equalize out at about the mass of Jupiter, afterwhich gravity takes over.

John T