Originally Posted by Warren Platts

I've got nothing against waves--but you look at a wave on the ocean moving, it's got both a definite position and momentum at any given moment.I'm just pointing out that the claim that there isn't both definite momentum and position "in reality" for subatomic particles is a philosophical surmise that's not very philosophically satisfying. I prefer the Bohmian, hidden variables approach. Just because we can't detect something, that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.