I am going to include this short version about the Only way to eliminate the "Singularities" from Cosmology, so you get a sense of the importance of this, and that there IS a solution, BUT...
I am only going to be defending and arguing, the very first part, where I am showing how and why the Lorentz Transforms were doomed before the very first calculation was ever done!
Einstein’s Special Relativity
“Fatally Flawed”
From the very beginning
Yes, before the very first mathematical calculation was ever transcribed onto paper,There was a very simple, yet subtle and very basic oversight, or “assumption” that slipped past all referees and subsequent scientists.
Simply put, this has to do with Lorentz Transforms and two observer’s “Nows” separated by any distance.
To begin to understand this we have to start before electricity was ever discovered!!!
Before electricity, if you were separated by large distances and lived in say New York, and your relative lived in London, San Francisco Etc, your “Nows” were separated by the ‘fastest’ travel of information (mail by boat/Pony Express), or transportation to bring you together, so your “Nows” could be in the same place. There are innumerable other examples of this kind of large separation of “Nows” because of distance.
Now let’s bring that distance closer to two separated observers. Let’s use two American Indian Tribes separated by a large bluff. They could send Smoke Signals to communicate, which might make it seem as though their “Nows” were simultaneous or together, but they had no way at all to determine if they were seeing those Smoke Signals “at the same time’, and as we will see, that doesn’t even matter anyway,
it is Irrelevent.
Their “Nows” are still separated by the distance between them, until they can actually be in the same place at the same time, right next to each other.
If you and I were on either side of say a five-foot thick wall that was so well insulated that no sound (we are still before electricity) could travel through that wall to communicate, even though we were that close, our “Nows” could not be together.
This is all very important so I am using enough examples so it is understood correctly!
Now, let’s say you as Observer A are up on a high bluff and see me as Observer B 1000 yards away down in the valley below, as I see you up on the bluff…The light/photons from you are coming straight at me and vice versa.
Now, if we both see a large rock, equi-distance from us, does that mean anything at all to our “Nows” being separated by 1000 yards, 3000 feet, over ½ mile? NO, it is absolutely meaningless! So, even though the light travel time is nano-seconds, our “Nows” are separated by that distance.
When we see a plane flying at night, or in daylight, we are never seeing it where it is Now, we are always seeing the light from where it was when it was emitted, nano-seconds earlier.
So, that is the set up…Here is the problem with what Einstein did setting up his initial premise with Special Relativity.
He had two observers A and B on two horizontal lines, representing observer A on the Railroad platform and observer B on the second horizontal line, with a light source halfWay between each.
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So, here is the problem right here…A and B are both “Motionless” and he (Einstein, OR it may have been Lorentz before him) “Assumes” a full Lorentz Transform of A and B’s “Nows”, just because there is a light source halfway between them. That imaginary light source halfway between two observers is meaningless as pertaining to their “Nows”!!!
The Lorentz Transform was developed because of B’s relavistic motion on his line of travel, and “Then” extended to straight away or toward observer A.
Any two observer’s, separated by any distance, even a few feet, their Nows are separated by the time it takes the light to travel from one to the other, even though that might be pico-seconds.
In the case above, where you as Obserever A are 1000 yards from me as Observer B, is there an ‘Alien in a spaceship’ traveling at “c” bringing your “Now” to mine OR my “Now” to you? No, absolutely not.
That is the “Counter-intuitive” difference to our everyday thinking…we normally think that if we are in the same room with others, or at the ballgame, etc, that we are all in the same Now. We are not. Even if we both see something ‘simultaneously’, our “Nows”, are still separated by the distance between us!
The above “Falsify’s” Special Relativity, just as it stands, with none of the additional refutations below, but enough of them need to be covered for a full understanding!
So, below are ‘some’ additional falsifying explanations.
In addition to that, since Einstein was working in an “Empty Universe”, there was “never” a distance established between A and B!!! So Relativity ends up with A and B, with the ability to be an “Infinity” away from each other, and supposedly, as long as there is an “Imaginary Light Source”, equi-distance from them, they are somehow, miraculously, in the same “Now”. Not only are they in the same “Now”, they are there “Instananeously”…
Those of course are just the definitions, that somehow were allowed to become “Real” when you get to “Light in it’s own frame”, which is division by 0, a “Singularity”!
It is even well known that light in it’s own frame is not a valid frame, and that ‘none valid frame’ is used many times to thwart certain arguments, BUT, because it is callled a Lorentz Transform, and because the ‘instantaneous from A to B, has become a Definition, it has all been ‘ignored’, as have many other things!
The reason that all the Singularities are in Relativity is because Einstein started with one!
Here is the key to understand, and
KenG should get this one…I already had figured out most of this, but the "Distance Then" VS "Distance Now" thread really solidified several things for me! Thank you
KenG!
If light is an ‘Invariant’, which of course it is, then there can NEVER be another speed light can travel at, in Vacua! It Must be 186, 282.4 mps…therefore by definition it can NEVER travel “Instantaneously”!
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Grey even says the exact same thing...
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SO, how do they/you justify that light from differing distant sources, even in the frame of the light paths taken, straight line if no massive body curves it, goes from the source to us "Instantaneously"? In other words, the light that is emitted from say Alpha Centauri gets here instantaneously just like the light from a Quasar 13 billion light Yr's away?
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Originally Posted by RussT
So Grey, how have you been able to justify or ignore this?
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Orginally Posted by Grey
Because it's not true. There is no valid relativistic reference frame in which light gets from any point to any other point instantaneously. In every valid reference frame, light (when traveling through a vacuum) travels at the same finite speed, and so there will be a measurable amount of time between its emission and absorption.
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They became so enamored with the Maths of “Time Dilation” and never could
Figure out what to do with the ‘Singualrity”, and no one has been able to falsify it, that all everyone could do, was just keep going, and except for a lot of Hubris, which is only human, ALL Astronomers have earned great respect for their work, time and effort! So it is no ones ‘fault’, because the Universe did not reveal itself to us, until we could do Gamma searches, and not until 1997 were we able to finally detect a GRB afterglow! In fact, it is quite obvious, that without all the work and effort, I could not have found and developed what I have, including all the patient, but admittedly sometimes frustrating, explanations from so many in this excellent Forum!
Now, SMBH’s are “Real”, BUT they do not have Singularities in them, and starting from the understanding that Baryogenisis happens, with High Energy Gamma Radiation, when a SMBH is Born, to begin a new galaxies life, is the ONLY valid way to show how our Universe(s) is working.
The clues have been developed…Lisa Randals “Leaking” and Lee Smolin’s
“Constant at the ‘pit’ of a Black Hole”…SMBH that is!
The “Only” way to get rid of the Singularities, is to allow “Neutrinos” to go “Straight Through” the throats of SMBH’s.
Those Neutrinos coming straight through, into the Voids, at "c" are the "Energy Leaking"/Field, which is the CMB, and that is the Non-Baryonic Dark Matter, that is responsible for the SMBH's Magnetic field to couple with, to hold the stars in the galaxies and for the Sun/stars to hold the planets in their orbits.
And Einstein even said so himself…
When he and Rosen developed the Einstein-Rosen Bridge!
Einstein and Nathan Rosen, both at the Institute for Advanced Study in Princeton,
wanted to rid physics of singularities--points where mathematical quantities become infinite or otherwise ill-defined--such as the concept of a particle that has all its mass concentrated into an infinitely small geometrical point.
The trouble is, SMBH's were "Real" before anyone ever even considered a 'star'/planet/sphere imploding, and non-rotational ones don't exist anyway, so most of the Maths are irrelevant, BUT there must be a way to show them, because they are curved on the inside.
Time is “invariant”/Constant, and space is absolute.
There IS one definitive answer to all of this!