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Old 02-July-2009, 02:34 PM
Grashtel Grashtel is offline
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Originally Posted by Ken from Dublin View Post
Get a grip of yourselves and cop yourselves on.

No man (never mind twelve! what planet are you guys on???) has ever landed on the moon and no man will in the foreseeable future as we are nowhere near the technological levels required.

So what exact technologies do we lack that are required to go to the Moon?
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You can't even send astronauts into low earth orbit nearly 40 years later without killing several of them - what is it now? 17 deaths or something?
14 deaths, out of 317 people flown. Assuming that the odds of dying on an Apollo mission are the same as for any others (which is not the case, the Shuttle suffers from a number of issues which don't apply to capsules) then statistically about half an astronaut should have died during the Apollo missions.
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Yet you believe 12 were sent with 1960's technology to the moon, to walk around, play golf and drive cars up there and delivered them back safely to the Earth???
You forgot gathering large amounts of scientific data, samples of lunar material that are beyond the capabilities of even today's robotic probes to retrieve, setting up experiments designed to be deployed manually that broadcast data for years after the end of Apollo, and take tens of thousands of photographs and hundreds of hours of video which couldn't be faked on Earth.
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Carl Sagan - America's most famous astronomer - never promoted the lie in his lifetime and in one of his last interviews stated that the Apollo program was just about intimidating other nations and beating the Russians, just falling short of stating it was a cold war exercise lest he be demonised by brainwashed fanatics like yourselves.
No one here will deny that the Apollo was to a large extent politically motivated, but that doesn't mean that it was faked, after all the consequences of a hoax being found out would be catastrophic and the USSR would be in a very good position to know if the missions were real or not with their own Lunar missions (they may have never flown manned Lunar missions (due to their big booster having the slight issue of blowing up) but that did fly unmanned ones).
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Later on in the same interview he stated that NASA's greatest achievements were the Viking missions to Mars.
So? Just because he doesn't consider Apollo to be NASA's greatest achievement doesn't mean that he doesn't believe that it happened, I can think of a number of ways in which Viking could be viewed as superior to Apollo.
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In 1994 NASA's chief administrator admitted/let slip in a British TV interview that no astronaut can travel above 400 miles until it can be figured out how to protect them from lethal cosmic radiation.
What exactly did he say and in what context? It is an unfortunate fact that hoax promoters and believers have an unfortunate tendency towards being shall we say "creative" in their interpretation of quotes.

This is particularly true as the radiation levels in space are well known (the USSR and every other country that has built a geostationary satellite would have to be in on the hoax) and aren't enough to be a problem for missions of only a few days like Apollo except in the event of a very major solar flare.
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It's like reading a scientologist blog here
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Except that we have literally tons of scientific and engineering data from multiple sources to back us up and the various hoax believers have no real evidence to back on their side.
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