Hello, Ken. Welcome to the board.

Get a grip of yourselves and cop yourselves on.

No man (never mind twelve! what planet are you guys on???) has ever landed on the moon and no man will in the foreseeable future as we are nowhere near the technological levels required.

OK, I'll play. What technology, exactly, are we lacking?

You can't even send astronauts into low earth orbit nearly 40 years later without killing several of them - what is it now? 17 deaths or something?

Do you mean the two Shuttle accidents, out of 126 flights? Can you think of any differences between the Shuttle and Apollo configurations?

The Soviets/Russians have fewer manned launches then the U.S. has Shuttle launches. They have had two fatal accidents and several near-disasters. Does this tell you anything about the nature of space flight in general?

Yet you believe 12 were sent with 1960's technology to the moon,

What exactly was inadequate about the technology, and why? I happen to work in this field, so I'll be very interested in learning all about this.

to walk around, play golf and drive cars up there and delivered them back safely to the Earth???

To explore the lunar environment, including obtaining an enormous amount of carefully-planned and documented still and video imagery; to select, obtain, and return differentiated lunar samples (several hundred kilograms); to perform a wide range of selenological investigations designed and built by leading scientists; to test and demonstrate suitable technologies; to set up and place in operation multiple automated lunar science laboratories which operated for years afterward; to set up lunar ranging retroreflectors which are still in routine use today.

Carl Sagan - America's most famous astronomer - never promoted the lie in his lifetime

That's the problem with cherry-picking your supporting "evidence". Sagan participated in the science training of the Apollo crews, and received an Apollo Achievement Award from NASA for his work.

and in one of his last interviews stated that the Apollo program was just about intimidating other nations and beating the Russians, just falling short of stating it was a cold war exercise lest he be demonised by brainwashed fanatics like yourselves.

Bluster and invective will get you nowhere. Sagan also spoke movingly of the Earth images taken by the Apollo crews en route to the Moon, and spoke of the privilege of participating in Apollo. None of which is incompatible with believing Apollo was primarily motivated by political goals, which in itself does nothing to diminish the scientific legacy of Apollo.

Later on in the same interview he stated that NASA's greatest achievements were the Viking missions to Mars.

Viking was one of NASA's greatest achievements. (It used data and technology developed during Apollo and its precursors.) There is nothing unusual about prominent scientists believing that unmanned missions such as Viking are more important than manned ones. The late James Van Allen, who helped NASA design the Apollo trajectories through the trapped-particle belts bearing his name, and Bob Park, a physicist and well-known scientific gadfly, both have shared that opinion with Sagan. They have also specifically repudiated the notion that Apollo was somehow faked.

Again, that's the problem with cherry-picking your quotes; someone will come along and look into what was actually said.

In 1994 NASA's chief administrator admitted/let slip in a British TV interview that no astronaut can travel above 400 miles until it can be figured out how to protect them from lethal cosmic radiation.

Incorrect, as already explained. Long-duration missions are quite a different matter than short-duration missions like Apollo.

It's like reading a scientologist blog here

No. The regulars here will happily explain their reasoning, and hard evidence, in detail, with appropriate citations you may verify yourself, for free. There is nothing hidden, no secret rituals, no fees to pay for expertise freely shared. All you have to do is actually pay attention to what is explained, rather than mindlessly quoting conspiracist sites and spewing insults.

If you're willing to actually learn something, that is.

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