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Originally Posted by forrest noble
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Sarcasm and disrespectful comments are often the case on this forum and few OPers enjoy having to complain to the moderators all the time. I never did, even with continuous violations and have seen others do the same. Even the most sensitive seem to rarely complain and often try to be overly polite.
Does anybody have thoughts on this general idea? or maybe there are other good ideas that might improve the ATM forum to make it something other than a joint effort to defeat the OP which it most often is -- without any real effort being made to understand the concepts, possibilities, hypothesis, theory involved.
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While I recognise that some of my posts can have a bit of an unfriendly flavour to them I don't agree that I or most other posters ever try to defeat an idea without understanding the concepts.
In fact many people often point out to the ATM posters that they don't understand the concepts their ATM idea tries to overthrow. To actually ask pertinent questions you have to have a basic understanding of the theory being challenged and the idea being proposed.
Sure it might look like many of us are trying to poke holes in the ATM idea but in actuality it is that we are just exposing the holes that are there. This is either because the ATM idea simply in contradiction to observations or that the ATM idea doesn't sufficiently address the "hole"
An analogy would be if you where having a new house built and a few weeks into the build you go to the site and see that there are 2 exterior walls missing and that under a significant portion of the house there wasn't even a foundation poured then it is perfectly reasonable to ignore the fact that the kitchen looks ok with cabinets, running water etc already in and say "Hey 1/2 of this house is built on top of the lawn and I know that this will make for a very bad house to live on because it needs that foundation."
What an ATM idea should have is a foundation that can be built upon. Builders don't jump straight to the 4th floor of a high rise. So when an ATM poster misses something very basic you shouldn't be surprised when they get called out on that and if it is a bit sarcastic, well most of us try to curb that but honestly its a bit of human nature.
Note I agree that if collaboration between people on an ATM idea is a good idea. Just don't get upset if you haven't collaborated with the OP and your idea is similar but sufficiently different that it gets moved to its own thread. I know it can take a long time to answer 1 question some times but the better the original post is with expressing the ATM idea the less number of questions would need to be asked. The problem comes from poorly thought out ideas with out any supporting evidence like mathematical models that support them or why their idea is better then the current model beyond a bit of philosophical yapping and a bunch of hand waving.