05-June-2002, 06:29 PM
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On 2002-06-04 20:42, Tomblvd wrote:
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On 2002-06-04 19:45, pvtpylot wrote:
Converging shadows! No, wait... [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
My choice for punching a hole in the Lunar Hoax Hoax would have to all of the independant ham radio data. Some of these guys had as much experience tracking radio signals as the folks tracking for NASA, and what reason would they have to cover for NASA? Your hoax is on the ropes now, Wiley! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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Cosmicdave eloquenty rebuts that argument:
- "The old Ham Radio qoute is an old one with me I'm afraid. I have used ham radio for years too and can safely inform you that there is no guarantee to finding exactly where a broadcast is being transmitted from, only the general direction. Even with normal CB radio, the only way that you can be tracked is by triangulation, abit hard dont you think when the signals coming from somewhere in space. "
Notice how he has "used ham radio for years", although he is obviously not a ham, otherwise he would have properly used the term. And by the tone of the statement, he also seems to believe that "normal CB radio" is somehow superior to Ham Radio.
But all kidding aside, I've always said the telemetry is by far the strongest evidence against a hoax. If you notice CDs stumbling response, and his continued stumbling on the topic, he hasn't a clue as to what doppler shift is and how it could be used to track a spacecraft.
Using doppler, large tracking antennas, and timed data packets transmitted to and from Mission Control, the CM stack could be tracked to a very high degree of accuracy, so much so that they could see the wobble in the plot whenever the ship vented. This tracking also allowed them to discover the so called MASCONS, which are massive concentrations of, ummm, well, mass, under the surface of the moon that are so large and, well, massive that the shifts in gravity affect orbiting spacecraft.
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OK, assuming that HAM radio only gives a general direction for transmission (a fair arguement), then how does CD account for the much faster change of aspect for a LEO orbiting spacecraft (one turn around the earth every 2 hours or so more or less). These EVA's and transmissions lasted more than 30 minutes. That would mean the moon would move slightly in the sky and the angle to the LEO object would move a much greater arc in the sky. (Has to be LEO. Anything higher could run us afoul of the evil Van-Allen radiation belts.)
Lessee, Moon rocks, parabolic dust motion, inability to create a true vacuum on earth. I think thats pretty close.
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