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On 2002-06-13 11:52, Silas wrote:
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On 2002-06-13 11:20, SeanF wrote:
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On 2002-06-12 22:32, Silas wrote:
And, of course, Darwin realized early on that no "intelligent designer" could possibly have designed whales with hip-bones, or human beings with toes.
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I heard a quote somewhere and I wish I could remember where so I could properly attribute it.
"Stop telling God what He can't do!"
Feel free to say that you wouldn't have created things this way, but please stop saying that no entity could possibly have done so - seems a tad egotistical to decide that there's absolutely no "intelligent" reason to do something just because you can't think of one, doesn't it?
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It isn't that I can't think of one; it is that no one can. The facts are not "intelligent."
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Oh, I see. It's not you, personally, who is the repository of all possible intelligence and wisdom in the universe, it's humanity as a whole. If it doesn't make sense to "
us," it can not be "intelligent."
Sorry, still not valid.
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You can, if you wish, fall back on the position that the creator is "mysterious." However, acting in a mysterious fashion is not "intelligent." Most importantly, saying, "It's mysterious" is not scientific. It can explain anything...and thus explains nothing.
Imagine if I were to respond to Dunash that way! He says, "Radioisotope dating gives contradictory results." I say, "You're right: it's mysterious!" He says, "The process returns dates that are too large." I say, "Don't tell rocks what they can't do."
In a theology message board, you'd have a point. In a science message board, you're off base (and I tag you "out.")
Silas
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Wow! You claim proof that God could not have created the universe, and then accuse
me of being off-base? In a science message board, this
whole conversation is off base! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
Your allegorical conversation with Dunash does not seem to logically compare to ours. I think the intelligence of hypothetical deities is a mildly different concept than specific measurements of actual rocks, isn't it?
Your implication that whale hip-bones prove that God could not have created the universe is fundamentally flawed - it proves no such thing. The question of creation simply can not be
scientifically proven - neither for nor against.
PS I hope that I'm not coming off as angry or anything here - I'm just engaging in friendly debate! [img]/phpBB/images/smiles/icon_smile.gif[/img]
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