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Old 23-March-2004, 05:51 PM
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Default Re: Neptune and Uranus. Are they really there?

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Originally Posted by Heathen
The last 30 years has seen several paradigm shifts in planet formation. Two important concepts deserve attention:

(1) A planet need not have formed at its current location. There is a growing consensus that both inner and outer migration occurs during accretion.

(2) The reservoir of potential building blocks need not be local. A strong case can be made that the Earth formed from planetesimals originating in at least five distinct regions of the solar system: The inner system (out to Mars), the inner belt, the outer belt, the Jupiter-Saturn region and the Uranus-Neptune region.

Just 30 years ago we would have described the outer planets as four ‘Gas Giants’. Today we describe the outer system as two gas giants (Jupiter-Saturn) and two ice giants (Uranus-Neptune).

http://blueox.uoregon.edu/~courses/B...3/FG13_010.jpg

The superficial appearance can be deceptive. For example, compare Jupiter to Uranus in the following pic.

http://zebu.uoregon.edu/~js/ast121/i...ian_worlds.gif

Although it is obvious that there is a difference between their masses, how great is that difference? It’s actually tremendous. Uranus is about 14.6 Earth masses whereas Jupiter is 318 Earth masses.

http://csep10.phys.utk.edu/astr161/l...lanet_mass.gif

IMO, we’ve come a long way. The current models could probably use a little tweaking and refining, but we’re getting there. (Death, taxes and error bars)

This is what I think took place. The cores of Uranus-Neptune formed in the Jupiter-Saturn region, then migrated outward, acquiring mass along the way while simultaneously scattering the objects which they did not absorb.

Note; the following link is 33 pages. Allow a minute or so to load:

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/astro-ph/pdf/9902/9902370.pdf
Very good. Thank you for all the information and the links.

I like the mechanisms for "gas giant" transfers from inner to outer orbits, the effects on Jupiter due to energy and angular momentum losses, and the impact of microparticles on all the above.

This has some real potential for modifying our interpretation of the extrasolar star systems we're now finding, where, perhaps, the large planets have not yet started or completed their migrations to the outer parts of the system.
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