Heh. I think frames are good if used the right way, it all depends on what the site is supposed to do. Some web shops use them to allow quick browsing between subgroups. The google groupsthingy uses them to show the thread structure of the current thread without interfering to much with the text view, a useful function. Of course there are some examples on poor use of frames out there, as there are examples of such for most element types. There have to be a reason for using them, on most simple pages they are not needed, but they have their uses. Frames do have the negative effect of making it harder to keep track of addresses though(if you are trying to give someone the link to a page with some information on).

If you are going to display long pages, it can be annoying having to scroll up the page, the "jump to top" links kind of break the expected function of links(loading a new page), and it gets tiresome to scroll up with wheel/keyboard. Of course one can use the scrollbar, but if you are using scroll wheel(a more comfortable way to move slowly while reading) it is easier to click a link in a separate menu than to scroll up with the bar to find the appropriate link.

I think frames are preferable to the abomination of floating menus, for example...

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