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Originally Posted by scourge
And if what I’ve seen personally has some terribly mundane explanation, the silence is deafening. I saw two bright lights in broad daylight, with five other people I knew well, execute rapid, linear, acute-angle maneuvers with no apparent change in velocity. I promise you—if you’d been there, you’d remotely consider the possibility of some outrageously advanced top secret military project (though why they’d fly them over a heavily populated area, and risk crashing them by flying them with such acrobatic precision, would stick in your craw), or something truly novel, possibly even extraterrestrial. There aren’t many other options on the table, and I think it would be foolish to not consider them all very earnestly.
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See Scourge, this is the very real problem. You're asking us to try and ID something that is nearly impossible to ID. If you were totally convinced that it was Russian Migs scouting out your hometown for a parachute drop we couldn't help you any more than if you had said it was space aliens. I agree that what you saw was at least mildly enigmatic, but I can't get excited about it. Why? There's nowhere near enough evidence in your experience to begin to make an educated guess. Most of us on this board know the hazards of trying to figure out what's in the sky and how difficult it is to ID stuff when it's difficult to see or just a collection of lights. (Personally, I now always carry binoculars in my car so I can attempt to satisfy my curiosity.) I'm not saying you should stop trying to figure out what it was, but even if, as you say, it would be really stupid for an experimental military craft to be conducting test flights over a populated area, that possibilty is still much, much more likely than it being space aliens.
Have you conclusively eliminted the possiblity of the military? Have you concusively eliminated the possibility of some sort of private stunt pilots? Of someone deliberately hoaxing you? Someone trying to hoax the whole area? I mean, these are very unlkely circumstances, I agree, but each and every one of these is MUCH more likely than it being an alien craft.
See, it's always difficult to prove something by negatively proving it. (i know, I could have said that better). What I mean is that you're trying to say that its probably space aliens because it's not a natural phenomenon or can't have been accomplished by people on earth. Unfortunatley, and this is probably the most basic premise that the UFOers singuarly fail to grasp: it's almost impossible to prove something this way. I can always come up with a scenario that is possible, no matter how preposterous it sounds, that is more likely than sace aliens. It could be a collection of ballons, several miles away, each with powerful lights attached to the bottom of it that wink in and out making it seem like sharp angle turns. Et cetera, et cetera.
Yes, we do ask for extrordinary evidence. After all, it's an extrortdinary claim.
John