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Old 12-June-2005, 10:30 AM
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Not even close? It is spot on. What is light if it is not an oscillating field?
The page you are talking about has an electron oscillating IN AN oscillating field. There's no problem with that at all.

But it's IS NOT your model. Your model has a photon ABSORBED. It's GONE. There is NO OSCILLATING ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVE ANYMORE: just an electron.

And despite being asked endlessly, you STILL can't give a simple energy momentum balance for this alleged absorption. Sheesh!

YOUR photo absorption reaction starts with a photon, and an electron at rest. Your then absorb the photon. Quit stalling and describe the energy momentum budget for YOUR reaction, in which the photon is ABSORBED.

Remember, ABSORBED means that the photon NO LONGER EXISTS. The photon is an oscillating electromagnetic field; but its gone, mate.

In real physics, as opposed to your nonsense, an electron-photon interaction results in the electron being fired off at an angle BECAUSE the impulse is transverse, and the photon gets fired off at an angle as well -- scattered. The cited page describes how the motion of the electron is balanced by the additional fields involved; but YOUR model ignores this entirely, because you absorb the photon, you DONT' scatter it.

So cut it out with talking about OTHER reactions, and give a simple quantified energy momentum budget for YOUR reaction. Not other reactions; YOUR alleged photon absorption reaction. Energy and momentum before absorption, and then energy and momentum after absorption. As long as you continue to stall about doing this, you are just spouting red herrings, and failing to describe YOUR reaction!

Cheers -- Sylas

PS. In real physics, a photon gets absorbed by an atom; not an electron alone. The atom has positive charges. The transverse motions move one in one direction, and the other in a different direction. They get pushed apart, which corresponds to a jump in energy levels. All the momentum gets absorbed as the net motion of the atom with the same momentum as absored photon. So yes OF COURSE the momentum gets absorbed in the same direction of the photon. That is trivial high school physics! Momentum MUST be conserved. How the plague can you consider the photon being absorbed by an electron when you KNOW that the electron moves sideways? The MEANS that the photon HAS to scatter in the opposite direction to balance momentum. Absorption is totally impossible.
Enough Sylas,
You have had your answer many times over. A wave is a stream of photons. The paper applies.
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A wave consists of a stream of photons. PS. In real physics, a photon gets absorbed by an atom; not an electron alone. The atom has positive charges. The transverse motions move one in one direction, and the other in a different direction
Plasma has positive charges. electrons in plasma oscillate in the same way.
You have had valid answers on this point time and time again but you ignore them. Tired Light stands.
And that really is my final word on this