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Originally Posted by papageno
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Originally Posted by Neverhuman
Premise # 1: It as a given that the Universe exists, and that its properties necessarily must meet the premises that our existence rests upon. The reasoning for this is obvious: If the fundamental physical forces and constants hadn't been exactly the way they are, we hadn't existed, hence we couldn't have observed the properties that made our existence impossible in such a hypothetical universe. That the Universe and the Earth has exactly perfect, and seemingly "fine-tuned", properties for us to exist therefore is nothing but reasonable and downright necessary.
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The Universe is not fine-tuned for us, we are fine-tuned for the Universe.
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I know that. But a lot of religious people uses such words as "fine-tuned" and the like. However, that wasn't the point of my original post. Did you read through the whole thing?
Edit to add: Thanks for the welcome!