I took the Aulis lot on at their own web forum a couple of years ago. Jay joined me a while later, along with a few others, and we all but destroyed the arguments in their book and vid (well, Jay did!). The forum got massive, and then, mysteriously, got 'upgraded', ie it disappeared altogether, only to be replaced by a message list. Some of my posts from this have been moved to a safer location, the bin, so it just shows how much of a debate they really want...