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Originally Posted by Michael Mozina
I get the 22 year figure based on the time it takes for the sun to complete one full cycle of it's magnetic field rotation. How does the gas model explain this phenomenon by the way?
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I still don't see how this has anything to do with the universe rotating once every 22 years, unless you are claiming a heliocentric model of the universe. (Not to be confused with a heliocentric model of the solar system.)
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I looked back through the thread to see if I could find anyone claiming that photons bend more than neutrinos, and frankly I couldn't. Can you point to a specific quote for this claim?
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I was specifically told the nuetrinos wouldn't lense until "pluto" if I recall, but somehow a particle of light is bent VISIBLY by the sun. Something doesn't jive here. The very same affect that bends light would necessarily apply to neutrinos as well since they presumably have MORE mass than a photon.
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I have already said that you appear to be confusing lensing with deflection. The statement that you would need to be out beyond Pluto (as I said in my post, you need to be 550 AU from the sun) in order to be at the focal point of the gravitational lens formed by the Sun. At closer ranges, however, you will see a
deflection in the path of light from stars, as it passes near to the Sun. (That's one reason why astronomers like total eclipses, as it allows them to observe starts that appear close to the edge of the Sun.) This will also be true for neutrinos, but with current technology any deflection of the neutrinos is unobservable because current neutrino detectors do not possess sufficient sensitivity and angular resolution. (I mentioned this in my earlier post.)
In summary, both neutrinos and photons will be deflected in (to an extremely good approximation) the same way. You just can't demonstrate the effect with neutrinos due to the limitations of current technology.
This also means that you still haven't justified your original accusation.
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Guess what? That is what we have been saying. It is just that neutrinos are a lot harder to detect than photons, and neutrino detectors typically don't have the anywhere near the same angular resolution as photon detectors so they aren't sensitive to small deflections.
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All I am noting here is that whatever is bending light must also bend neutrinos. I realize that neutrinos are tougher to detect than photons, but I have no doubt they will be BENT at least as much a something that presumably is without any mass at all.
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And I can find no evidence to suggest that anyone here was claiming any different to that.
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You still won't be able to observe solar gravitational lensing at the earth, however.
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Why? Why would a neutrino with more mass than a photon not be visibly altered by the gravitaional forces of the sun just like a photon? Why would a photon get bent by the time it gets to earth, but a heavier particle not be bent at least as far?
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See above. You are confusing the formation of a gravitational lens (and the location of its focus) with the underlying phenomena of the gravitational deflection of light (or neutrinos). My statement above, is true for
both photons and neutrinos. You do not see gravitational lensing due to the Sun of
either of these at the earth. You would have to go out beyond Pluto.