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Originally Posted by gopher65
I strongly suspect that there are many animals on Earth with near human intelligence (dolphines, certain species of wolf, certain species of ants (very alien intelligence though if they have it), chimps, gorillas, ravens, and maybe a few others).
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Something to keep in mind - and this is my own weird musings, mind.
I grew up around horses; and have certain opinions about the considerable intelligence of these magnificent creatures. Also; I spent considerable time with a dolphin researcher (OK; I was dating her.)
Researchers studying animal intelligence have a tendancy to do so by comparing the animal's intelligence with our own. In other words; they tend to make assumptions of a being's intelligence based on what Human things that being can do - count, discern shape and colour, etc.
Personally (and Marnie and I used to have some wild arguments about this) I think that's flawed - in order to get a true value of a creature's intelligence one has to look at how well that creature uses its brainpower
within its own environment. Look at dolphin language; for instance - there are two approaches to the research. The first attempts to make use of the dolphins' huge intellect by teaching them to understand human - follow commands; respond to vocal signals, etc. Using this format a researcher can make huge strides in progress. The dolphins want to help; they're having fun, they throw themselves in enthusiastically. This is AFAIK the main means of communication/training for aquarium mammals.
The other way is a lot harder; and shows far less progress. However; I personally feel it will ultimately prove more successful - trying to learn the dolphin's language. Very hard - how do you learn the language of an utterly alien species? Particularly if they're not going out of their way to help.
I think it's an indication of dolphin's intelligence that they're a lot better at learning our language than we with all our technology and education are at learning theirs.
As a different example, horse folk tend follow this second method much more than the first. Yes; training a horse involves essentially teaching it to obey/understand human commands but it goes much farther than that. A good horse trainer understands what the horse is thinking/feeling from one minute to the next; he can communicate with the horse in
its language. So do good riders - I'm no expert horseman; but I've never had a problem with 'wild' or 'balky' horses - I know when a horse is tense or fearful; I understand that as herding animals they have a strong social order and can work within that instinctive system.
IOW; horses are incredibly intelligent - at being horses.
OK, this is getting far afield (no pun intended) but I just thought I'd throw out a few more shots about how we look at 'animal intelligence'.
Many folks think that because a species is intelligent enough; it could eventually form a civilization. I submit - based on the above - that a suitably intelligent species, properly equipped for its environment, may have no need for civilization.
Thus; going back to coelurosaurs. I personally believe they were extremely intelligent animals; self aware problem solvers. Quite possibly limited tool users. But they were intelligent at being dinosaurs; which doesn't necessarily include aspects of intelligence we ascribe to humanity.
Whoa - that was probably confusing...too much coffee.
Cheers!