Then how do you explain all the whining and tantrums

I think in the future we will not look at ellipticals as muture galaxies as much as them being dead galaxies. The Milky Way began forming with the first galaxies in the universe, but it has never had its dust and gasses stripped out of it by the energetic plasma of a monster galaxy.

This is part of my dispute with the original statement in this thread.

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